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Stile
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Message 84 of 126 (886764)
06-06-2021 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Phat
05-21-2021 11:10 AM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Phat writes:

...humanists are in love with the idea that we determine our destiny...

Still stuck on this idea?

Again, a humanist isn't "in love" with such an idea.
A humanist is "stuck" with this idea. Even searching to get rid of it, dump it, improve on it... but, until something other than humans comes along that can control our destiny... there's not really another choice, is there?

I feel like we've had this conversation before, and before, and before, and before...


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Stile
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Message 98 of 126 (886814)
06-09-2021 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Phat
06-06-2021 2:37 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Phat writes:

Stile writes:

...humanists are in love with the idea that we determine our destiny...

And we see it differently. I perceive or feel that I DO have another choice.

This response implies that you do not understand the point I'm trying to make.
Which is probably my fault - I'll try to be clearer here.

I understand that you feel like you have another choice.
And I don't have any issues with you feeling such a way.
I don't even care if you can prove it to me or not - you're free to feel any way you'd like.

My issue is that you seem to think that humanists are IN LOVE with this idea.
That is - you seem to think that humanists are choosing or desiring to be "in control" of their own destiny.

But - that's not what's happening.

Humanists are "stuck with" the idea of humans/the-natural-world being "in control" of their own destiny (as much as one can control a possible meteor strike that kills us all?)

Simply because there's no one else doing it.

Your feeling that you have another option is great for you - but it's useless to a humanist because the option does not exist for them.

This doesn't mean the humanist "loves" the option they have - some will and some won't. It only means they are stuck with it regardless of what they want.

It's like someone telling Stile that he's having pepperoni pizza for dinner.
Then they tell Phat that he can choose between the pizza or steak.

Then Phat tells Stile he's IN LOVE with pepperoni pizza because he didn't choose steak.

Stile didn't get the choice. There's only pepperoni pizza available.
Stile may like pizza, or not - it doesn't matter. There's no other option available.
Stile eating pepperoni pizza doesn't mean he's in love with it or wants it or desires it.
Stile is only eating pepperoni pizza because Stile has to eat and its the only option that's available.


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