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Message 6 of 126 (886149)
05-07-2021 8:14 PM


A reply to marc9000
I'll reply here to Message 92 by marc9000 in the earlier thread.

The proof was the scientific community's kneejerk meltdown in 1996 over the "Darwin's Black Box" book. It got plenty of attention in the coming years, not for any interest in the science, but to shout it down and discredit it. The scientific community was completely unified in its anger.

I can't say that I saw any meltdown. My own reaction to the book was to borrow it from my school library, and read it. Sorry, but I did not find Behe's argument to be at all persuasive.

I did think the biologists over-reacted to the Sternberg peer review controversy, where a yawn might have been a more appropriate response.


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Message 8 of 126 (886160)
05-08-2021 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Raphael
05-07-2021 9:22 PM


However, I would not classify myself as a "creationist" really, at least not in the classic sense of the word, so perhaps I'm the wrong person to argue marc's point.

You are probably some kind of Old Earth Creationist, which means that you mostly accept the science. Yes, that's very different from the kind of creationism that marc9000 is arguing.

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Message 33 of 126 (886425)
05-19-2021 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by marc9000
05-19-2021 5:33 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
And all four of those denominations use the 66 book Bible, creation references and all. Why would they oppose creationism "in this case"?

As far as I know, they do not oppose creationism as broadly understood. What they oppose is creationism narrowly understood and taught in science classes in public schools contrary to the first amendment non-establishment clause.

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Message 48 of 126 (886476)
05-21-2021 3:42 PM
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05-21-2021 2:57 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
I get carried away.

You sure did.

If you ever manage to find your way back to reality, you might learn that the liberals are not out to get you. Your cult has been feeding you a bunch of ridiculous nonsense, and you have been swallowing it hook, line and sinker.


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Message 53 of 126 (886488)
05-21-2021 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Raphael
05-21-2021 10:21 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
While I agree atheism is not a religion, it is a belief and sometimes even a set of beliefs depending what brand of atheism you subscribe to.

No, it isn't a belief.

If you were on an abandoned island and you never heard of any religion, would the position you come to naturally be atheism?

Perhaps not. Atheism is a rejection of particular kinds of belief. And if you have never heard of them, then there isn't anything to reject.

In conclusion, this (admittedly non-scholarly, ) model demonstrates the issue I have with atheism. It's a belief stance.

No, it isn't.

I usually call myself agnostic or non-religious to avoid that kind of misunderstanding. But I have no particular belief stance with respect to religion. I have not ruled out the possibility that there's a god, but I also have not ruled it in because there's no persuasive evidence. So I remain neutral.

What belief stance do you take me as having?


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Message 60 of 126 (886512)
05-22-2021 9:47 PM
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05-22-2021 9:06 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
But my friend nwr, of course it is!

What is this belief that atheists supposedly have?

The atheist ( I know this is not quite your position nwr) believes by faith that no God exists.

You are confused between "atheist" and "anti-theist". There are plenty of atheists who are not anti-theist and who have not ruled out the possibility that there's a god.

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Message 62 of 126 (886515)
05-22-2021 11:01 PM
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05-22-2021 9:57 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Help me understand, how do you personally understand and differentiate between atheism and agnosticism?

There is a distinction. One can be an agnostic theist.

However, personally, I just use "agnostic" or "non-religious" because those terms cause less confusion.


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Message 109 of 126 (886913)
06-17-2021 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
06-17-2021 7:02 AM


Re: Reparations, Tithes, and Moral Obligations
My gripe was the whole liberal mandate for reparations.

What mandate is that?

I know quite a few liberals who do not favor reparations. And they do not favor it for good liberal reasons.


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