I've seen it implied many times, and was directly told once (can't remember when or where) that Christians who are creationists are actually in a minority of all Christianity. Back in the "God Delusion" thread, these two comments inspired me to possibly start a new thread;
Also it is essential to point out that much of Christianity also totally rejects creationism and Intelligent Design so all the evidence shows that Science and Old Earth and Evolution are not atheistic but simply reality.
I dont know nor care too much about defending Creationism. In regards to the new generals, however, I had heard that Stephen Meyer and Jonathan Sarfati were the Literati whom were left. What flaws do the majority of you discern in these two men? And again....I don't really see why there even exists Creationism except for the profit motive in writing books.
But since it seems to fit in this thread well enough, I'll just start it here. I have no idea where it will lead.
Creationism is ORGANIZED, all Protestant denominations don't seem to take exception to it. While I don't see many of them making a big deal of it, they all preach and believe that every word of the Bible is true. Including the first 5 words; "In the beginning God created..."
Ken Ham makes a big deal of it, his elaborate website, his creation museum, his "Ark Encounter", are there for anyone who wants to see and learn more of his conservative, literal Biblical beliefs. And he has armies of other Bible scholars who collaborate with him on everything he says. There are Biblical scholars that are syndicated throughout U.S. radio and television, Charles Stanley, John McArthur, David Jerimiah, several others, all creationists as far as I know.
There have been debates in the past, the well known one between Ken Ham and Bill Nye. But Nye didn't represent non-creation Christianity, he represented atheism. Why has Ham never debated a well known non-creation Christian? Maybe because there aren't any? WHY NOT?
A much longer ago collegiate debate happened between Kenneth Miller and Henry Morris. Kenneth Miller is more of a science guy than a representative of non-creation Christianity. I'm sure Morris, like Ham, would have liked to have a discussion with one. Why haven't they? Because they don't exist?
Who are Jar and Phat's teachers? Where is the organization in non-creation Christianity? What's their go-to source to get information on just what parts of the Bible are true, and what parts are "allegories"?
If the majority of Christians are not creationists, I'd expect there to be tons of names of "SCIENTIFIC BIBLE SCHOLARS", who could answer tons of questions, since they would be halfway between atheists like Richard Dawkins, and creationists like Ken Ham. Who are they, what are some names of syndicated high profile scientific Bible scholars, that I can learn from and listen to on radio, and watch on television on Sunday mornings?
I suspect they don't exist. When Jar says, as he did once here; "Christ wasn't much of a Christian", and many other amazing things that he and Phat say, I suspect they simply come up with them themselves, with no references or organization as to where they came from. Those two certainly have their disagreements with each other, I've never seen either of them point to an authoritative source, concerning their non-creation Christianity.
If atheism has plenty of organization in science (and it does), and creationism has plenty of organization in protestant religion, (and it does) where is the organization in all this COMMON non-creation Christianity?