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Message 31 of 53 (888237)
09-10-2021 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by riVeRraT
09-10-2021 8:43 AM


Re: Suicide is a survival strategy (for species).
riVeRraT writes:

Self destruct sequences are not "suicide"...


Of course they are.

riVeRraT writes:

...and are not initiated by depression.


Suicide doesn't have to be initiated by depression. A soldier may jump on a grenade to save his comrades. Somehow, suicide is heroic when the good guys do it but crazy when the Japanese or Muslims do it.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 33 of 53 (888247)
09-10-2021 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by AZPaul3
09-10-2021 1:01 PM


Re: Suicide is a survival strategy (for species).
AZPaul3 writes:

The former suicide is intended to save lives while the later is intended to murder.


I hope you're being ironic.

The kamikazes were not trying to "murder" any more than the SBD's and TBDs were trying to murder. Both sides were trying to win the war and, in the long run, save lives.

Edited by ringo, : fixed quote


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Message 36 of 53 (888297)
09-11-2021 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by AZPaul3
09-10-2021 1:43 PM


Re: Suicide is a survival strategy (for species).
AZPaul3 writes:

The kamikaze and the radical muslim suicide bomber...


The kamikaze was much like the soldier who jumps on a grenade. He wasn't about "sowing the horror of shock and terror that facing a human bomb elicits in people." He wanted to destroy an enemy ship before it destroyed the ships on his side. Typical soldier, slightly different attitude toward death.

AZPaul3 writes:

... radical muslim suicide bomber...


Which is not what I said. It's a typical right-wing knee-jerk reaction to "Muslim", which is what I said.

But my point was that riVeRraT was wrong about suicide. It isn't something that a machine can not do.

Suicide is more complicated than some people think.


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Message 39 of 53 (888326)
09-12-2021 2:09 PM
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09-11-2021 1:22 PM


Re: Suicide is a survival strategy (for species).
AZPaul3 writes:

... in this world today, when this subject comes up, the muslim suicide bomber is the poster boy of the genre.


Exactly. But they are NOT the poster boys of suicide in general.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 40 of 53 (888327)
09-12-2021 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by xongsmith
09-12-2021 12:35 AM


Re: Suicide is a survival strategy (for species).
xongsmith writes:

ringo writes:

the SBD's and TBDs


Sorry - I lost what these acronyms were somewhere down the road.

Suicide Bomb Destroyers
Terrorist Bomb Destroyers


I just watched Midway the other day.

SBD = dive bomber ("Scout Bomber Douglas")
TBD = torpedo bomber ("Torpedo Bomber Douglas")


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Message 52 of 53 (888948)
10-25-2021 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
10-25-2021 10:03 AM


Re: Suicide is a survival strategy (for species).
Phat writes:

GOD may well think algorithmically but in equations far beyond our capacity to decipher.


That's the equivalent of, "There are some things we just can't explain - so here's the explanation."

If it's "beyond our capacity to decipher", how are you deciphering it? How are you concluding "GOD" from something you can't decipher?


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
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Message 53 of 53 (888950)
10-25-2021 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
10-25-2021 10:11 AM


Re: Suicide is a survival strategy (for species).
Phat writes:

Can there even be two sides?


Yes.

Phat writes:

(Dualism is alive and well.)


It has nothing to do with dualism. I was talking about history.

Phat writes:

You will likely argue that the sane side is secular and scientific.


You should stop trying to predict what I will argue. You don't even read what I do argue. I didn't say a word about a "sane" side. If anything, I was pointing out that the sides weren't that different.

Phat writes:

This is why they produce suicide bombers.


I was talking about the difference between religious fanatics and kamikazes.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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