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Tanypteryx
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Message 10 of 53 (887250)
07-26-2021 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Straggler
07-26-2021 5:33 PM


The term “emergent properties” seems to be the phrase used to express the assumption that these things will just occur if enough complexity/processing-power is present.

"Emergent properties" is the term that pops into my mind when I think about human consciousness, self awareness, or the mind. To me, enough complexity, is too vague a term to provide a satisfactory description.

I think that sensory input is largely ignored or given far less credit for its influence on those emergent properties. Teaching computers to see has faced major hurdles and has been far more rudimentary than the way baby humans process visual input, plus all those other senses, taste, touch, hearing and smell. Much of the input from these senses is processed in non-infants without our conscious awareness and what we are aware of has been highly processed and blended to give us a seamless experience of our surroundings.

Our technology is a long ways from developing the algorithms to describe all the subtle variations of sensory input and how they are blended into conscious experience of the world. Our inventions cannot even approximate the sensory input and processing power of the simplest mammals or birds.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 17 of 53 (887416)
08-02-2021 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by AZPaul3
08-02-2021 8:22 PM


Nwr is spot on. We’re not looking for overlords. We're looking for intelligent but limited slaves.

Yep, I agree with that. But, I think a lot of what is driving the fantasy of a human construct in science fiction and Nerdia is the desire for a companion species that has full communication capacity and self awareness like we experience. We are alone on this planet. Our communications with the most intelligent dozen or so other species are rudimentary. The UFO aliens have really let us down.

These hypothetical AI robots would be able to communicate right from the moment they are switched on. The question soon arises, if they are self-aware will they automatically also be independent of human control? That's something humans should discuss a lot.

In every Scifi world where the AI is one or a few bigass computers that have control of a bunch of machines or robots or weapon systems it only ends well for humans if the laws of physics are broken a dozen times in the course of the story. We should not build this kind of AI.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 19 of 53 (887418)
08-02-2021 10:53 PM
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08-02-2021 10:18 PM


The bad parts are going to be the super intelligent market traders and the constant blare of the super intelligent sales and propaganda outlets. Fake news on steroids.

Yeah you can think of it running amuck in almost every field of commerce and exploiting the mountain of data that define the digital you and the digital me. We pretty much deserve the din!

Our decision makers in the U.S. have made clear decisions that they would rather risk million dollar drones than American pilots and jets. The compulsion to replace human combatants with machines has got to be occurring to asshole politicians around the world. Weapon systems are already some of the biggest business deals on the planet.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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