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Message 1 of 79 (887602)
08-13-2021 11:44 AM


Mike Lindell, CEO of MyPillow held a three day Cyber Symposium offering “absolute proof” that the presidential election had been stolen. His claims were wildly implausible, but genuine experts still watched online or even went in person. Unsurprisingly the “absolute proof” was missing in action.

Rob Graham (“ErrataRob”) was there.

We did find out that the source of Lindell’s data was likely the fraud Dennis Montgomery (of the imaginary computer program).

Also, that all the hex-dumps are just rtf (“rich text format”) files. Which are rather obviously better presented as formatted text. It’s not a format you’d expect a computer program to use, at all. It’s for humans to read. Which they can’t do if you present it as a collection of bytes in hexadecimal.

Final verdict of this "cyber expert":

Number of "packet captures" or "cyber pcaps" seen = 0
Amount of "Absolute Proof" seen = 0
Amount of any evidence seen = 0

Apparently half of Lindell’s supporters were willing to admit that he hadn’t delivered the promised evidence!

Hari Hursti was also there

“Mesa County” refers to this Security Breach Tina Peters - who provided the information is suspected to be the person guilty of leaking passwords recently posted online. More dodgy dealings, it seems.

Matt Blaze watched some of it online

His longest thread starts here

As a professor, I occasionally encounter completely unprepared students trying to fake their way through a presentation on something they don’t understand at all. Every one of them did a more convincing job than this conference is doing.

His basic point is that elections don’t work that way. Individual votes aren’t sent over the internet. So you won’t see commands to flip individual votes - which is what the data was supposed to show.

These guys are genuine cybersecurity experts - unlike Lindell. But you don’t need to be an expert to figure out that Lindell didn’t have the proof he claimed - even without taking into account the implausibility of it all. If you have “absolute proof” and you make a huge show of releasing it you don’t just refuse to release it. Especially not so long after the fact.

This is good news for Dominion’s lawyers - Lindell is one of the people they’re suing for defamation. More evidence that he’s making false claims can only help.

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Message 8 of 79 (888601)
09-23-2021 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Percy
09-22-2021 8:19 PM


Re: Why Trump Followers Think Mail-in Ballots Cause Fraud
Of course, in any system with secret ballots they should be anonymous.

The main reasons, of course, are Trump says so.

Trump lost.

They don’t like the fact that Trump lost.

They don’t care about reality or truth, because reality and truth refuse to be the way they want them to be, (Haven’t we seen enough of that thinking from Marc and Faith?)


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Message 10 of 79 (888611)
09-23-2021 3:55 PM
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09-23-2021 8:00 AM


Re: Why Trump Followers Think Mail-in Ballots Cause Fraud
You should check out Rob Graham’s feed (see the OP). He’s continuing to follow the story.

It’d they were rational they wouldn’t be desperately jumping to conclusions to support the “fraud” narrative. Anyone who’s actually followed the story knows that there’s nothing there. The whole thing is just more Trump shenanigans.


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Message 17 of 79 (888640)
09-25-2021 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
09-25-2021 11:18 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
The evidence really shows that Trump’s a liar. But we already knew that.

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Message 28 of 79 (888868)
10-17-2021 5:17 AM
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08-13-2021 11:44 AM


And it gets worse
Mike Lindell’s surprise witness (supposedly even better than the packet captures that were “proof” of fraud) turns out to be even worse than I thought.

We knew that she switched off the cameras monitoring the system. We suspected that she had leaked confidential information to at least one unauthorised person (not counting Lindell).

It turns out that she leaked BIOS passwords to Ron Watkins, operator of the notorious 8chan forum, and the most likely person behind the Q identity in the last few years (though not the original Q).

Ars Technica

A judge has barred her from overseeing elections after the shocking security breach, stating:

During the Mesa County "trusted build", confidential passwords were required. The passwords were maintained on a spreadsheet contained on a laptop [that Colorado Department of State Senior Voting Systems Specialist Danny] Casias brought with him from Denver. At some point, during the four plus hours of the "trusted build" process, video and photos were taken of Casias' laptop and the passwords contained on his screen.

Later, the confidential passwords were publicly posted to an online social media site. On August 2, 2021, the Secretary learned that the confidential passwords had been publicly disseminated and an investigation began.

The person responsible was an unvetted “consultant” brought in by Peters.


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Message 35 of 79 (889031)
10-31-2021 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by marc9000
10-30-2021 10:25 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
quote:
But you didn't provide the definition of socialism. Why don't we look at that?

quote:
1)a theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government.

2)procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3)(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

and;

quote:
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done



OK, I think that’s really enough to prove that the Democrats aren’t socialist.

quote:
Democrats aren't in favor of incremental increases in government owned land? Capitalism to communism, referenced in the definitions above?

https://www.usatoday.com/...den-conservation-plan/6215104001


Obviously not. It’s not about taking over production or distribution of goods, and it isn’t going to abolish capitalism.. Conservation is not communism. Limited acquisition of land for that purpose is pretty obviously well short of a move towards communism.

quote:
Action against climate change, that most all Democrats favor, fits neatly into every one of those definitions.

I don’t think that you’re stupid enough to believe that. Where’s the wholesale nationalisation of industry, for a start?

quote:
Did you know that Bernie Sanders identifies himself as a socialist? From Biden and other high profile Democrats to posters on this forum, there are very few attempts from any of them to distance themselves from Sander's beliefs and proposals

I know that Bernie Sanders is on the left of the Democratic Party and is opposed by the party establishment. That alone is enough to refutes the point. The fact that Sanders isn’t proposing socialism by the definitions you quote annihilates it.

quote:
Do you need more links to show the clear relationship with today's Democrat party and socialism?

Obviously we need more than none,

quote:
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Working towards a better future for all.

Hard to tell from that if they’re going for full socialism or a mixed economy like Germany. In the short term they certainly aren’t going all the way. And they aren’t the Democratic Party.

quote:
Is your fantasy that Democrats aren't socialists something that appeals to you, no matter what the truth actually is?

Since you’ve demonstrated that the Democratic Party isn’t socialist it obviously isn’t a fantasy.

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Message 37 of 79 (889033)
10-31-2021 7:21 AM
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10-31-2021 6:53 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
These guys seem pretty socialist, too.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need.

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Message 45 of 79 (889063)
11-01-2021 1:31 AM
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10-31-2021 9:24 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
quote:
I suppose so, if you didn't read it, and you're unaware of current Democrat activity.

I suppose you mean if you DID read it. I am aware of the Democratic Party’s current policies. Which do not include large-scale nationalisations of any industry.

quote:
Democrat's current spending proposals with trillions in borrowed / printed money, Biden's "30 X 30" land confiscation proposal, Democrat's (including the "independent" Sander's war on fossil fuels), with the subsequent government "ownership and control of the means of production and distribution" (from the definitions above) and other Democrat proposals that are described word for word in the definitions above.

Obviously they are not about Government ownership of the means of production and distribution.

quote:
If you look at Democrat's "Green New Deal" proposals, you'll see exactly that.

Nope, no massive nationalisations there.

quote:
It's not obvious to those who know something about history, about the tactics of past tyrants to control and oppress their people. And none of those past tyrants had the giant CLIMATE CHANGE card in their hands to play, it's far bigger than any card past tyrants had. It's not obvious to those who know about the mindset of the U.S. founders as they structured the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

I get that you’re a big fan of tyranny, but that doesn’t grant you any special insights.

quote:
The nationalization of industry isn't done overnight, past tyrants that the U.S. founders were fully aware of have done that kind of takeover incrementally. Playing the "conservation" game is how incrementalism works. When the U.S. population is naturally increasing as it always has, combined with current unprecedented illegal immigration, when we're rapidly approaching the $30 trillion mark in debt, when the Taliban was handed major victory in its ability to threaten the U.S., common sense tells some of us that "conservation" really shouldn't be on top of the to-do list.

In other words they aren’t actually proposing socialism. You just assume that it will eventually get there, over many, many years. Your biased assumptions aren’t facts.

quote:
Opposed? Do you have evidence of this opposition? Name some things that Sanders proposes, that the Democrat leaders like AOC, Schumer, Pelosi, Biden and Harris vehemently oppose, and show me some links to liberal / Democrat websites that show the discussion about it.

AOC isn’t a leader. It’s well known that the Democratic Party establishment opposed Sanders bid for the Presidential nomination in 2016 and 2020. And since you’ve conveniently provided an example, Obama’s support for the TPP is contrary to Sander’s objection to such deals.

quote:
That's not a fact, because the fact is that he really does propose socialism. Let's look at Sanders' "12 point plan" that he has long had. Here's a link;

https://commonsensewonder.blogspot.com/...list-vt-has-12.htm


I had a look and I was right. (You didn’t think I’d be stupid enough to fall for your mischaracterisations, did you?).

Again, look at the lack of evidence. All you have is lies and a ‘slippery slope” assumption. No plans for massive nationalisation - even of industries where it makes sense. The means of production will remain firmly in private hands. Nothing more than a European style mixed economy (at most). That’s not what your definitions call “socialism”)


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