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Percy
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Message 61 of 79 (889095)
11-02-2021 11:33 AM


Is a rational discussion possible with some people?
The saying that insanity is doing the same thing and expecting something different to happen is cute and appealing, but untrue. People aren't, life isn't, that simple. But I think it's fair to say that we shouldn't expect rationality to suddenly erupt from what has heretofore been a swamp of determined ignorance and nonsense.

But many times an important point is at stake, and at other times the stupid is just too precious to resist, and so we eagerly reply despite knowing it will go nowhere, and we excuse our behavior by telling ourselves it's for the lurkers or for posterity or just for the principle of truth and honesty. So even though the stupid persists unabated, we feel better.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo.


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AZPaul3
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Message 62 of 79 (889098)
11-02-2021 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by marc9000
11-01-2021 10:27 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Who lied to me? I can figure things out for myself, I don't need a source to tell me what to think.

Ahh. The source of the stupid comes clear.

Besides, it's not the telling you what to think that is the problem. It is the telling of facts that you continually and blindly ignore that are the source of your stupid.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 63 of 79 (889100)
11-02-2021 12:48 PM
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11-01-2021 10:27 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
marc9000 writes:

I can figure things out for myself, I don't need a source to tell me what to think.


That's a recipe for delusion.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 64 of 79 (889101)
11-02-2021 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by marc9000
11-01-2021 10:27 PM


not what to think but HOW to think
What you need is to first learn how to read, comprehend, discrimination and then to teach you the basic process for thinking.

Edited by Admin, : Correct typo in title.


My Website: My Website

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Message 65 of 79 (889102)
11-02-2021 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by marc9000
11-01-2021 9:23 PM


Who's on First
Republicans have never been near any of that. Republicans have always been about individual rights, not about organized "emphasis on the group"

Modern republican party is akin to the National Socialists of Germany in 1930s. Control the vote. Use violence to disrupt peaceful protests. Blatant racist and misogynistic restrictions on rights. The alt-right has taken control of the republican party. It is now a pseudo-nazi cabal with the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys as its brownshirts.

We saw a good view of republican care for American rights on January 6.

PM Percy to ban me.

Why? You really think you’re that important? Besides, if I want to call for your ban I will do so quite publicly.

That should help satisfy your hatred of the 1st amendment.

Oh how I love me some 1st Amendment.

What I detest is the Reich-wing’s blatant misuse of its existence as meaning they have a right to spew their garbage anywhere they want unopposed. You do not have ANY right to speak, in any manner, anywhere free from social backlash. You don’t have any right to be free of hecklers, protests, eggs, milkshakes, bricks, antifa raids and bullhorns.

The only right to free speech you have is to not get thrown in jail for it. The government cannot interfere with your right to speak but the rest of society most damn well can. Shouting you down, shutting you out ... THAT is OUR exercise of free speech. Conveniently forgot that part of the right didn't ya.

Fuckin fascist trying to redefine the 1st Amendment in his own image.

Edited by AZPaul3, : title


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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marc9000
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Message 66 of 79 (889104)
11-02-2021 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Percy
11-02-2021 11:33 AM


Re: Is a rational discussion possible with some people?
The saying that insanity is doing the same thing and expecting something different to happen is cute and appealing, but untrue.

That's for sure! Anyone who has ever laid under a 1960's model car with the task of getting the 3-speed manual input shaft lined up with the clutch knows that you have to keep trying over and over, in exactly the same way, until it jumps right in, even though when it finally does, nothing was done differently.

But I think it's fair to say that we shouldn't expect rationality to suddenly erupt from what has heretofore been a swamp of determined ignorance and nonsense.

Very good again! "Swamp" is an excellent way to describe the gang gallop that I've been facing.

But many times an important point is at stake, and at other times the stupid is just too precious to resist, and so we eagerly reply despite knowing it will go nowhere,

Wow, this is unbelievable, did you take some kind of brand new truth serum this morning? When I saw your funny claim that today's Democrats and socialism have no relationship with each other, I had to eagerly reply, knowing that I'd get called lots of names by almost a dozen angry liberals, knowing that most any basic question I asked would go unanswered, and that most every gang gallop member would break forum rules, sputter with rage, and make complete fools of themselves.

and we excuse our behavior by telling ourselves it's for the lurkers or for posterity or just for the principle of truth and honesty. So even though the stupid persists unabated, we feel better.

Spot on, yes I do. I would guess that the four (besides me) that you named in Message 21 got a smile. Phat gave me one approval dot.

My work here is done, for now.

PS Congratulations Glenn Youngkin.


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AZPaul3
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Message 67 of 79 (889108)
11-02-2021 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by marc9000
11-02-2021 9:21 PM


Re: Is a rational discussion possible with some people?
My work here is done, for now.

That's right. Storm in here, get kicked in the butt with all that shit you spread kicked right back into your face, you big disgrace, we kicked your can all over the place, so declare victory and leave with your tail between your legs.

Good show.

PS Congratulations Eric Adams.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 68 of 79 (889110)
11-03-2021 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by AZPaul3
11-02-2021 10:34 PM


Re: Is a rational discussion possible with some people?
Kick his butt with actual issues.

Have an issue discussion.

I literally have never followed ANY discussion about ( whatever this is,) this Mark9000 stuff, perhaps because of the noise interference.

(I remember little of substance)

Mark9000 is trying to tee up an issue debate.

What is stopping his opponents?


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Message 69 of 79 (889111)
11-03-2021 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by AZPaul3
11-02-2021 6:35 PM


Re: Who's on First
Don't invoke the Nazi regime.

You would be quick to try another tactic if a room full of Jewish men would be ready to literally pound your face to an unrecognized identity.

You would be screaming for some other (sleezely selected, by you) ethnic group to have sympathy for you. (Thwy would despise you just as much)

Stop your crap.


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Percy
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Message 70 of 79 (889115)
11-03-2021 5:34 PM
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11-02-2021 10:34 PM


Re: Is a rational discussion possible with some people?
They're sure posting in the right thread.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 71 of 79 (889129)
11-06-2021 8:48 AM


The Trump Playbook All Over Again
In New Jersey, Republicans are trying to discredit another free and fair election, reports an op-ed piece in the Washington Post. Republican candidate for governor of New Jersey Jack Ciattarelli is refusing to concede and is in fact accusing his opponent, Democrat Phil Murphy, of stealing the election. Sound familiar?

As the op-ed piece says, for Republicans there are only two possible outcomes:

  1. The Republican candidate wins.
  2. The Democrat candidate steals the election.

A large proportion of Republican candidates for office and their senior campaign officials and advisers do not care about truth and honesty and integrity. They only care about power. Cynical accusations of cheating and fraud aren't so much about winning court cases but about poisoning the public's mind about future elections.

Even Chris Christie, a former New Jersey governor who worked on Trump's 2016 campaign but who discounted all charges of election fraud in 2020 has apparently changed sides and now believes that Democrats win elections by cheating, saying, "there’s a very legitimate chance Jack could win this" and that he's concerned about "data discrepancies." What "data discrepancies?" Who knows, he doesn't say.

And he doesn't say because he doesn't know because there were no "data discrepancies." He's doing what in the old days we quaintly called lying and making things up but today is just the status quo for too many Republican politicians. They've found an effective formula for driving Democrats out of having a meaningful role in governing, and they're going to pound it over and over and over again. Republicans who recognize the formula for what it is and won't play along are leaving government, like Representatives Anthony Gonzales and Adam Kinzinger. And how long can Liz Cheney hold on?

Rupert Murdoch's New York Post claimed there were "“vote-counting debacles plaguing several counties.” What "debacles?" What counties? What exactly happened? Well, stuff did happen, but nothing significant. A poll worker made a mistake in Essex Country that required a court's permission for the machines of 56 precincts to be opened and their votes tallied manually. New voting machines in Middlesex County crashed and had to be rebooted. No votes were lost, no fraud was detected. Ciattarelli lost to Murphy by 65,242 votes. If he's lucky a recount might find him a couple hundred more votes, but if history is any guide he'll lose a couple hundred, because for some unknown reason recent recounts usually end up with the Republican having fewer votes than he started with.

Our history of free and fair elections continues, but a significant proportion of the country believes our elections are no longer free and fair because they think despicable Democrats are working behind the scenes to steal elections. How are Democrats doing this? Somehow they're even doing this in red states where the election machinery is all run by Republicans, as in Georgia of the beleaguered Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger who refused to cave in to demands, even in a phone call from President Trump himself, that he declare his state's election corrupt.

Nobody can say how these elections are being stolen because nobody knows. So far only isolated instances of fraud have been identified, I'd guess around a hundred nationwide for the 2020 presidential election, and usually the culprits were individuals working on their own who voted Republican.

Sadly, the Republican formula is working. Democrats are going to lose the House and Senate in 2022 and the presidency in 2024, and they'll be out of power for a long, long time. The two party system was working well enough until around 20 years ago with the rise of the Tea Party. In the time since government has become more and more polarized and acrimonious, and now through a combination of new and restrictive voting laws and new gerrymandering we're entering an era of largely one party rule.

--Percy


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Message 72 of 79 (889141)
11-07-2021 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Percy
11-06-2021 8:48 AM


Re: The Trump Playbook All Over Again
What have Democrats done to allow a binding Puerto Rican vote on statehood?

What have they done to allow Washington DC, to do the same?

(The latter is very charged, and would require filibuster removal)

What good is it to have Democrats in charge of all 3 bodies ( House, Senate, White House)?

I bet Rippert Murdoch is personally in favor of Puerto Rican statehood. He is the most outspoken supporter of open borders that I have ever seen. I am sure you have some strawman comment on "Republican talking points", right?


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Message 73 of 79 (889143)
11-07-2021 1:26 PM
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11-07-2021 12:49 PM


Re: The Trump Playbook All Over Again
One of my disappointments is that the Biden administration has done nothing, nothing at all, to address the major issue with cats. We have put up with their condescending demanding attitude long enough. Federal action is necessary.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 74 of 79 (889146)
11-07-2021 2:23 PM
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11-07-2021 1:26 PM


Re: The Trump Playbook All Over Again
D.C. statehood was a burning issue, from 2009 to 2011, when Obama had the votes.

So you will just say, "it was a fringe issue nobody cared about", but it shows your out of touch persona.

You represent the views of an old, arrogant, white grass pole.


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Message 75 of 79 (889147)
11-07-2021 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by AZPaul3
11-07-2021 1:26 PM


Re: Cats
AZPaul writes:
the Biden administration has done nothing...[...]...at all to address the major issue with cats.

Indeed. As anyone kneauxs, herding Democrats is tough.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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