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Author | Topic: CATO Institute had a big IMMIGRATION AND NATIONAL IDENTITY survey, April 27, 2021 | |||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
CATO showed that 47% of Democrats supported higher immigration levels, 21% of independents, and 11% of Republicans.
Total raw support for higher immigration levels is 29% (The issue is more complicated, as polling suggests, but leave it at 29% for now) A question was then asked if future immigrants would be allowed to live and work here if they paid a $10,000 fee. 31% of Democrats said yes. 28% of Republicans 30% of independents 53% of libertarians COMBINED TOTAL of all Americans was 30% "yes" But the the total would be at 37% of all Americans if Democrats held steady at 47%. And the support would be at 44% total IF Democrstic support shot up in a 17 point fashion, like the Republican support did. Then we could suddenly see a situation where much higher immigration levels are very possible. The question did not comment on allowing citizenship, mind you. (There are other polling questions that got even more promising answers which indicated that higher immigration levels are possible with radical reforms to immigrant's right to social support programs) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
There will be 2 polls.
First poll question is: Do you favor or oppose allowing immigrants to receive government financial assistance & services? All Adults 47% support 53% oppose 1 Gen Immigrants 68% support 31% oppose 2 Gen Immigrants 57% support 42% oppose 3 Gen Immigrants 42% support 57% oppose Native Born Not 2nd Gen 42% support 57% oppose Democrats 70% support 30% opposeINDEPENDENTs 41% support 58% oppose Republicans 22% support 78% oppose Whites 40% support 60% oppose Blacks 64% support Latinos 76% support Asians 61% support Now the racial divide, will throw a curve ball. Pay attention! 1 Gen by race: 1 Gen Whites 63% support 1 Gen Latinos 76% support 1 Gen Asians 68% support 2 Gen by race: 2nd Gen Whites 44% support 56% oppose 2nd Gen Latinos 70% support 2nd Gen Asians 68% support 3rd generation by race: 3rd Gen Whites 39% support 61% oppose 3rd Gen Latinos 43% support 57% oppose 3rd Gen Asians 48% support 52% oppose Do you all see that? (Black immigrant samples are too small to measure)(Asian and Latino immigration samples were oversized at 300 each to get vital details from the massively important segments of our society. They were scientifically scaled back to proportion to fit into the larger polls without distortions of the total American body) So how did the poll manage to show nearly half of Americans support welfare for immigrants when post-2nd-generation Asians, Latinos, and Whites oppose the benefits being available? The answer is that first & 2nd generation Americans are 26% of the population of the USA. Then there are the Democrats... (Sad story coming in the next post)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Democrats looked heroic previously. 70% supported benefits for immigrants that the rest of us get.
Awesome for immigrants, right? Not so fast! POLL QUESTION: Would you favor or oppose increasing immigration to the U.S. if immigrants had to prove before entering that they would not use government welfare services? All Adults 58% support Democrats. 47% support Independents 58% support 1st Generation immigrants 67% support 2nd Generation immigrants 53% support Native Born. 58% support Democrats become genuine stoppers of the future gains in immigration levels. And this is supposed to be the party that supports immigrants? In this sad world, this is just too sad. (Where did Bidens promise go? He said we could bring in alot more immigrants per year beyond the 1 million that never budged up in many decades)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Show where I called for benefit moratoriums.
You have been screaming for years about the "problem" of illegal immigration. And the immigrants were clearly, in and of themselves, the problem, to you. (You seem to be happy with 1 million per year immigration levels.) You ignore the fact the 45 million immigrants, PRESENTLY RESIDING, strongly support giving up what little (if any) public benefits are available, for higher immigration levels. (I am personally conlicted on the tradeoff, but I should probably defer to the 67%, of the 46 million immigrants, who support such a policy) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
From SIDE ORDERS Forum.
The Trump Presidency thread Post 2774
No one meant all walls are racist .... we should build walls Percy on El Paso's wall Post 2775:
I would think they'd need a wall or some kind of border security strategy Post 2775
I hope everyone's in favor of border security
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I was the one in favor of amnesty.
And you are dishonestly twisting Percy's response He was attacking my accusations that the Democratic party was not doing enough to help immigrants. He did not like my positive references to Reagan's immigration views. I proved Hillary Clinton was in favor of deporting children during the large amounts of migration during 2013-2014. (I was happy she seemed to oppose such, based on her response to Jorge Ramos in the 2016 Univision debate) (PERcy denied she was ever in favor of deportation during the 2014 "crisis") (Percy denied her 2016 opposition to deportation of children amounted to allowing children to ultimately remain here. He said it was just about "due process", so ask him for clarity) I was considering opposition to deportation of children a "good thing", to make it short. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
And I was angry that the Democratic party was only talkingbabout offering amnesty to the 1.4 million children migrants.
The Democratic party talking line was all about the "Dreamers" and "children". I constantly, during the last 4 years, said the Democratic party sold out (politically) the other 10 million immigrants vulnerable to deportation. Democrats threw 1st generation immigrants (my favorite people) under the bus. (And amnesty was never a radical position, until the Democrats made it one. That is a fact. In 2016, 81% of Texas 2016 voters, supported a pathway to citizenship for ALL illegal immigrants. Only 15% opposed. This was the actual exit poll, from the day Trump got 52% against Clinton. I happily trumpeted that poll data) So you are a very dishonest person, PaulK. Get the heck out of a discussion if all you have to bring is lies.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Percy said there was a "need" for walls wherever a "natural barrier" (like a river) was not present.
People like Percy made Trump's wall possible. I said that walls are a racist symbol. (I did not say that walls were not already present in places, mind you)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
That thread, the Trump Presidency, was infact the place dwise was referencing when he, earlier, stated we talked about this before.
I was the one who brought up the fact that 1st generation immigrants pay $63 billion more in taxes than they get in social ssf spending programs. PaulK lies when he says that the CATO study is not about illegal immigrants. It is about all illegal and legal 1st generation Americans.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
You are confusing multiple issues discussed.
I said that Percy had no real immigration strategy, back then. (He tends to take the official Democratic party position) I found out he had a love of walls, in short time, however.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
You are ignorant of how people, without Social Security numbers, can fill out a form to pay taxes.
Your comments about me 'conflating' llegal and illegal immigrants are idiotic. Find something else to nit pick over. (Like I am going to argue with you over what I mean when I say "immigrant")
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
On the thrown under the bus issue:
First of all, understand that I tend to look at public opinion polls that gauge the larger views of society. You earlier said that I made it look like Democrats are more supportive of open borders than they actually are. You were taking my poll readings about Americans having divided opinions on the rights of children to migrate here, and then you magically that into me supposedly saying the DNC and official Democratic office holders are somehow opposed to deportation of children. When it comes to the latter, I would never assume such a thing. The political class is going to be a bundle of soundbites and contradictions, full of people Percy attempts to imitate. When it comes to the Americans, there has to be caution in reading polling data. American support for ANYTHING is tenuous and often public views change on something, when the national political parties change their view. One example is the drop in support for "amnesty" (your words), from 80% support in 2016, to anywhere from 35% to 55% support today. The public views changed because the Democratic party leadership started speaking out against it, back in 2017. As for your insistence that need to demonstrate the fact that 1st generation Americans are thrown under the bus, understand that first generation Americans are all immigrants. It is a fact that there will be 1 million immigrants (or lower) every year. The immigration levels affect the future immigration picture. Therefore the prospective 1st generation Americans-in-waiting are affected. The First Generation American issue is an idea, a living ideal, that is based on a hypothesis centered around the future.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I am talking about the cost of first generation immigrants study.
It was in my immigration thread, from 2017. I thought I just saw it in the Trump Presidency thread. The study found ALL first generation Americans pay, collectively, $63 billion more to the government than they take out. dwise referenced this in his first post, here. But without a link.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
There was the poll which asked about support or opposition to government financial assistance to immigrants.
47% supported 53% opposed Then the poll which asked about a trade-off, which offered a landmark INCREASE on immigration levels, with immigrants having to prove they have the financial assistance option taken off the table 58% supported 41% opposed I have made it VERY clear that I am one of the 47%, and from just about every early post.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Not just legal immigrants.
Americans think that most immigrants are illegal anyway. Americans make no distinction. Many , but not most Americans, think that most Asians (immigrant or not) are 1st generation undocumented immigrants. PaulK keeps saying this poll is only about legal immigrants.
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