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Message 2 of 16 (888147)
09-06-2021 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
09-06-2021 6:47 AM


Does this make sense?
Without further info certainly we cannot make that judgement.
Shipping strategies vary. The FedEx model makes perfect economic and efficiency sense. That is one reason why they were so successful.
Is there a way to change general behavior?
This has nothing to do with general behavior, does it? Unless I miss my guess there may be very good economic efficiency reasons why your tissues took a side trip on their way to you.

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Message 4 of 16 (888149)
09-06-2021 6:43 PM
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09-06-2021 6:10 PM


FedEx and UPS and even the Post Office as well as almost all businesses are Economy driven rather than environment or sustainability driven.
Of course. This is capitalism.
When you look into the mechanisms you find that cost is usually directly proportional to resource utilization. Less resources used, less cost. Unless the seller is really stupid their shipping policy is geared toward least cost which should mean less resource utilization.
The rub comes in when you realize the cost associated with the resource is wildly understated. It reflects only the economic costs but not subjective environmental costs.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 7 of 16 (888152)
09-06-2021 7:50 PM
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09-06-2021 7:21 PM


Re: The evil empire (Amazon.com)?
You ever see tissues in West Texas? They're green and they got needles all over them. Local stores carry them under First Aid cuz you'll need that if you use them.

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AZPaul3
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Message 9 of 16 (888154)
09-06-2021 8:23 PM
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09-06-2021 7:16 PM


Me says: The rub comes in when you realize the cost associated with the resource is wildly understated. It reflects only the economic costs but not subjective environmental costs.
jar: Exactly.
Are you willing to pay the actual cost of your tissue? Who determines the environmental costs?
The same for transport. What environmental cost is assessed for road? The cost of the trees that won’t be grown? Smog? Cancers?
Too messy. But this is exactly what needs to be done, not on some case-by-case basis, but on a national policy basis. That makes it a political issue on how/who makes that assessment. Enter the arena of Big Carbon, the environmental impact study, and that perennial favorite, Smoke and Mirrors In the Halls of Congress.
You’re in Texas (my sympathies btw) but do you really trust your state to assess carbon costs of gas and oil?
Ok, put down the cane I really didn't think so. Easy there.
You and I could probably come up with a pretty good plan in a few posts but we don’t have $$$trillions at stake in wealth, influence, power. That’s the kind of money to kill for, literally.
Assessing an environmental tax on our production, use and waste of materials, gasses and heat, is a call to battle.
Probably not going to happen. Now what?

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