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jar
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Message 4 of 684 (888767)
10-03-2021 4:57 PM


Please don't just give us more of their sideshow spiel; rather please give us reasoned arguments and evidence that might actually support what they are marketing.

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jar
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Message 21 of 684 (888801)
10-06-2021 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
10-06-2021 11:49 AM


Re: Lyn Alden
LOL
Too funny.
Phat, I was an optician and I made $400 a month salary.
Gas was about a quarter a gallon.
My rent was $90.00 a month and that included all utilities.
Stop thinking in terms of one dimension.
Minimum wage was about a dollar an hour.
Yes inflation happens but so does wage increases.
The problem is the willful ignorance of folk like you and a significant percentage of the US voting population; YOU elect and support people that fuck you. That's not their fault, it's YOUR fault.
Stop believing the Snake Oil Salesmen and actually learn the basics.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin there ---> their

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jar
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Message 565 of 684 (919001)
06-12-2024 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 564 by Phat
06-12-2024 5:33 PM


Re: Thinking In Todays Dimension..
My mortgage is 743.00 a month.
Gas is under $3.00 a gallon.
I drive about 120 miles a month.
Yawn.

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jar
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Message 567 of 684 (919003)
06-12-2024 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 566 by Phat
06-12-2024 7:45 PM


Re: Thinking In Todays Dimension..
You have no basic premise.
Is inflation up? Depends on which periods you are comparing.
Is the US economy doing well compared to other nations? Yes, super star well.

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jar
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Message 569 of 684 (919005)
06-12-2024 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by Phat
06-12-2024 7:52 PM


Re: Thinking In Todays Dimension..
The SKY is falling! The SKY is falling!

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jar
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Message 570 of 684 (919006)
06-12-2024 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 566 by Phat
06-12-2024 7:45 PM


time to present your reasoning?
Phat writes:
The world is beginning to dedollarize.
Not sure 'dedollarize' is a real word but what possible difference would it make is there was no 'set' standard currency or if the standard was the Chinese Yuan or the Japanese Yen or the Russian Ruble or British Pound Sterling or any other currency except maybe the Solomon Island Rai Stones?

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jar
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Message 572 of 684 (919008)
06-13-2024 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 571 by Phat
06-12-2024 11:33 PM


Re: time to present your reasoning?
But what is the evidence?
Each nation sets interest rates based on the decision of its own financial governing body. Buying other nations bonds is based on the relative return against relative risk, in other words the stability and risk factors. Those are not dependent on whether it is a global standard currency.
Let's talk about buying cars and homes. Do people in other countries living under different currencies buy homes and cars? In fact, doesn't the US have a history of importing cars made in other countries? Doesn't the US have a history or limiting imports from many nations to protect us car makers and the employees?

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jar
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Message 578 of 684 (919014)
06-13-2024 12:40 PM


The greed problem
What I do find of concern is the two fold issue of consumer prices increasing beyond inflation and the enormous profits recently.
Yes, there have been issues in the supply chain and in resource availability but neither can explain why consumer prices rise faster than inflation.
Greed can.

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jar
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Message 589 of 684 (919111)
06-26-2024 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 587 by Phat
06-26-2024 5:41 AM


Re: Some sipported Links
Phat, do you understand the basic and fundamental difference between Opinion and Fact?
What you continue to present as facts are opinion pieces. They are NOT evidence of anything other than the FACT that that author claims to BELIEVE what he writes.

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jar
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Message 591 of 684 (919115)
06-26-2024 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 590 by Theodoric
06-26-2024 11:48 AM


Re: Some sipported Links
Phat (and the CCoI) have a misunderstanding, a very Basic misunderstanding, about how to learn and how to think.
He looks for ways to support what he believes. This is the exact opposite of how things should be done. He needs to test what he believes by trying to falsify it.
That is the difference between the scientific method and fantasy. In science the goal is to try to falsify what is being believed.
Phat and I have had this discussion repeatedly over the last couple decades and his response is "Why should I try to destroy my beliefs?"

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Message 598 of 684 (919207)
07-03-2024 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 596 by Tanypteryx
07-03-2024 12:24 PM


Re: Thinking In Todays Dimension..
Phat has never been able to answer one simple question.
Why are all the folk that are hawking gold willing to exchange their precious metal for his digital currency?

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jar
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Message 601 of 684 (919210)
07-03-2024 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 600 by Phat
07-03-2024 3:33 PM


Re: Thinking In Todays Dimension..
But what they are selling will continue to hold value while according to you what the get will continue to loose value.
There are lots of ways to earn dollars, why trade a loser for a winner?

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jar
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Message 614 of 684 (919226)
07-04-2024 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 613 by Theodoric
07-03-2024 11:22 PM


Re: Legal Tender
We tried Gold Dollars and can certainly return to Gold coins. The last ones minted had about a half ounce of gold and so set the price of gold as $2.00 an ounce.
To keep coins transportable we can set the price around that level or make coins with almost no gold content and turn gold into another fiat currency.

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jar
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Message 619 of 684 (919232)
07-04-2024 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 618 by Theodoric
07-04-2024 4:52 PM


Re: Legal Tender
Sometimes there is a difference between desire and reality.

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jar
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Message 634 of 684 (919250)
07-05-2024 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 625 by Phat
07-05-2024 9:36 AM


Re: Phat Unplugged UNHINGED?
Phat writes:
It brought to mind the inane thing that FDR did in 1933 by confiscating all of the gold held by the public and, a year later, the silver as well.
Why was it inane? Do you know why FDR took that action? Do you know and understand the Federal Reserve Act passed back in 1913 and that that was an Act of Congress and signed into Law by Wilson? Do you know that in 1933 the US was still in a major depression? Do you know that the items (gold and silver) were paid for at the then going rate and not 'confiscated'? Do you know that a small amount of gold and silver was allowed continued to be owned by individuals?

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