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LamarkNewAge
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Message 16 of 39 (888925)
10-24-2021 11:22 AM


I just traced term limits to the Kentucky constitution convention of 1849/50
The Whigs strongly opposed ter limits.

The Democrats pushed for the successful 1850 amendment which imposed term limits on all state office holders, including judges. And judges were forced to win elections, in the convention's decision.

Democrats got an amendment which eliminated 3 day voting, and made election day just one voting day.

(The reason was that those "wealthy Whigs" brought supporters to the polls on the second and 3rd day)

The fight over the very calling of the convention in Kentucky was seen as an existential threat to the Whig party. Democrats got the convention and it set up the historic 1851 Kentucky election. The Whigs lost. The Democrats won.

The Whigs fell apart. There went the pro Union party (as the Democrats accused them of being).

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Message 17 of 39 (888926)
10-24-2021 11:37 AM
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10-24-2021 11:22 AM


Re: I just traced term limits to the Kentucky constitution convention of 1849/50
But isn't the real issue the means by which Prussia's House of Hohenzollern unified Germany in 1871?

--Percy


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Message 18 of 39 (888955)
10-25-2021 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
10-22-2021 3:06 PM


Re: Weiging The Alternatives
Phat writes:

We need armed guards at our store.


Seriously? You're going to shoot Jean Valjean for stealing a loaf of bread?

In Canada, we don't even have armed guards in the banks.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 19 of 39 (888956)
10-25-2021 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by LamarkNewAge
10-24-2021 11:22 AM


Re: I just traced term limits to the Kentucky constitution convention of 1849/50
LamarkNewAge writes:

... term limits ....


In Canada, the voters impose term limits.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 20 of 39 (888958)
10-25-2021 2:34 PM
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10-25-2021 12:57 PM


Re: Weiging The Alternatives
In Canada, we don't even have armed guards in the banks.

The local banks I have been in here don't have guards either.

I remember being surprised many years ago on my first trip to Bolivia that there were uniformed armed guards inside and outside at the supermarket (HyperMaxi).

Banks had guards also, they unlocked the door to let us enter and locked it behind us, after they scrutinized our IDs. We got better exchange rates for our money at banks rather than with the scammers at the airport.


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Message 21 of 39 (888959)
10-25-2021 2:56 PM
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10-25-2021 12:57 PM


Re: Weighing The Alternatives
The armed guard is obviously not going to shoot anybody. Here in our town, off-duty police usually fill these positions. The point is the need for authority. And it's not a guy with a loaf of bread or a store-bought bucket of chicken that they try and skip out paying for. Those people are not the problem.

The problem is the blatant thieves. Those who come in and boost laundry detergent and meat and expensive shampoos and medicines.

Society has gotten out of control. This type of shoplifting needs to be put in check. Otherwise, you really will have some real-time scenarios from hell.


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Message 22 of 39 (888960)
10-25-2021 3:54 PM
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10-25-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Weighing The Alternatives
Phat writes:

The problem is the blatant thieves. Those who come in and boost laundry detergent and meat and expensive shampoos and medicines.

They're the hopeless and the homeless. They're drug addicted and selling the stuff they steal to buy the drugs that will eventually kill them.

Society has gotten out of control. This type of shoplifting needs to be put in check.

What confuses me about your type of Christianity is that there's absolutely nothing Christian about it.

You say Jesus talks to you - well actually you only ever say that you talk but he doesn't answer - can you honestly tell me that if he ever did talk he would say that putting armed guards in your shop and if not actually shooting them, then chucking these people in jail is his teaching?


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Message 23 of 39 (888961)
10-25-2021 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
10-25-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Weighing The Alternatives
Phat:

The problem is the blatant thieves. Those who come in and boost laundry detergent and meat and expensive shampoos and medicines.

Tangle:

They're the hopeless and the homeless. They're drug addicted and selling the stuff they steal to buy the drugs that will eventually kill them.

Phat, didn't you want a ministry? Aren't you required to have one?

Here you're working in the middle of one of the neediest neighborhoods in your area. Is there some issue with ministering to these folks?

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 24 of 39 (888962)
10-25-2021 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
10-25-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Weighing The Alternatives
Phat writes:

Society has gotten out of control. This type of shoplifting needs to be put in check. Otherwise, you really will have some real-time scenarios from hell.

Then the solution is NOT authority but Root Cause Mitigation.

Fix the health care system.

Fix the wealth divergence.

Fix the education system.

Fix the housing system.

Fix the blatant White-Privilege disparity.

Fix the legal system.

Fix the policing system.

Get rid of the engrained racism.

Decrease authority.

Make drugs legal and freely available through neighborhood health care centers.

The theft isn't the problem.


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Message 25 of 39 (888963)
10-25-2021 10:34 PM
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10-25-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Weighing The Alternatives
Shop lifting security must cost $100 billion per year.

Shop lifters would ruin every store if not for security.

I once spent $100 , but accidentally took $6 in paper plates outside. I walked back in to pay. I know Walmart only makes about $2 for a $100 customer. They dont need to loose money on a a slime ball.

If someone lets me inside their store, they should not be burnt over the allowance.

Shoplifters hurt the image of poor people more than just about anything else.

I have been preaching that for years.

I go into Walmart and the Arab exit checkers (the majority in Lincoln, though it is probablyjust here)loudly say, "Sir, you can go", without checking my receipt and goods. They know I am honest. (The non-Arab white ladies do not trust me, though, but they are not at the checking area, typically. Their attitude tends to stink, with many exceptions.).

(I just got complemented at a grocery store for returned items that I did not pay for. An employee remembered me from months ago)

Arab employees seem to have a good attitude toward people. They will set your phone plan up on your phone while the old white miserable creatures will shout buyers out of sight. I dont complain EVER, but I thought about requesting that the Whites be banned from electronic department.

Am I wrong?


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Message 26 of 39 (888965)
10-26-2021 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
10-25-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Weighing The Alternatives
Phat writes:

The armed guard is obviously not going to shoot anybody.


Then what's the point of being armed?

Phat writes:

Here in our town, off-duty police usually fill these positions.


So only the black shoplifters need to worry about being shot?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 27 of 39 (888966)
10-26-2021 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by LamarkNewAge
10-25-2021 10:34 PM


Re: Weighing The Alternatives
LamarkNewAge writes:

Shop lifters would ruin every store if not for security.


I worked in a large drug store for several years. During the time I was there, they actually reduced their response to shoplifters. The problems with harassment complaints apparently outweighed the losses from theft.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 28 of 39 (889053)
10-31-2021 4:30 PM


I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
I was trying to find, via google, an old Newsweek article, from September 20, 2001. It had to do with the "particularly urgent" warning that the Joint Chiefs of Staff got a day before the September 11, 2001 attacks. They cancelled their flight to New York on September 11. Hugh Shelton included.

I could not find anything.

I attempted about 50 different search terms.

(I remember the article said "Such a nice young man" about Muhammad Atta bringing coffee to his boss. The text then pointed out that Osama bin Laden was his boss)

Nothing came close!

So I attempted something that I have not tried in over a decade. I tried to get to Alex Jones's sites Info Wars and Prison Planet. He used to have entire article texts.

I could not find that site either. Or any Jones' site.

So I started searching for censorship key words.

I found a Nov 30 2010 article which pointed out:

That, in 2010, search engines were beginning to block Alex Jones' material from the engines. You Tube banned Alex Jones due to his uploading the Collateral Murder Wikileaks video, which showed 18 minutes of footage which recorded U.S. Apache helicopters shooting at Iraqi journalists.

I think our constitution is already just a paper tiger. If it ever was a document about freedom from tyranny, then we have lost the right it once held (if the words ever meant anything). I suspect that the constitution always suffered from endless exclusions and exceptions, that rendered the text moot.

(I did just find the article, from Sept 23, 2001, but my comments still stand about the rest)

(Bush: "We're at war" is findable online, and it provides the precious research line, about the Sept 10 warning with cancelled flights on 9/11 that passed the fact checkers. A 2004 Chris Matthew's interview, of 9/11 widows, showed their anger at the 9/11 Commission for not addressing the flight warnings)

I must edit to add that the censors have won the war over freedom of information and freedom for science & knowledge.

We have lost; we all have lost

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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Message 29 of 39 (889054)
10-31-2021 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by LamarkNewAge
10-31-2021 4:30 PM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
We have lost.

What has been lost, dear squeaky toy, is your marbles.

No one but fellow loonies care about your major constitutional crisis.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 30 of 39 (889055)
10-31-2021 6:36 PM
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10-31-2021 5:50 PM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
So you have no problem with U.S. milirary shooting at Iraqi civilian journalists?

You just have a problem with video of the massacre leaking?

And, if it miraculously leaks, then plug the leak, by banning freedom to distribute?

(Kill journalists by the killing of free speech, if guns don't work, right?)

Shoot every time, in every way possible, right?

Take notice, world. These United States are a dangerous collective of dangerous people. You have all the ingredients for a dark age. A dark, dangerous age is fighting out of its nascent shell.


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