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AZPaul3
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Message 31 of 39 (889056)
10-31-2021 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by LamarkNewAge
10-31-2021 6:36 PM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
So you have no problem with ...

As these are fantasies of yours, I have no objection.

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Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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PaulK
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Message 32 of 39 (889062)
11-01-2021 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by LamarkNewAge
10-31-2021 4:30 PM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
Obviously it is neither.

In my experience news articles are very difficult to find. Newsweek has undergone a number of changes of ownership since 2001 which may make it even more problematic. Failure to find an article (if it ever existed) means little.

If InfoWars was ever banned from YouTube for reposting material from Wikileaks they came back. The more recent bans have been for hate speech and misinformation.

There is nothing in the Constitution which compels private companies to give a soapbox to anyone who asks, no matter how vile. Indeed the First Amendment grants private companies the freedom to refuse to host content.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 33 of 39 (889065)
11-01-2021 3:45 AM
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11-01-2021 1:00 AM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
Search Engines refusing to allow (non virus, non pornographic) sites to come up in searches could be seen as a free speech issue. Operating systems come bundled with browsers and search engines. I think that a censorship policy should be an antitrust issue, and the OS should be required to have a toolbar from a non censored search engine.

Newsweek is no longer in libraries. I forgot that I wanted (many years ago) to photo copy the September (forget print date for "Bush:"we're at war"), 2001 issue due to the caption text (in bold and larger print) havingva different line than the text in the body of the report.

The print text said "particularly urgent warning", while online version (I edited to say it still is online, as I found it) only has the text sentence ("suddenly" is in there) on the cancelled 9/11 flights, from the 9/10 warning.

At any rate, we are always going to be in the dark when it comes to learning about various things that go on.

(We could use a FOIA constitutional amendment for one thing, so we can find out how the heck certain people get warnings that the rest of us dont get)

We need a constitutional amendment that enables the people to have a right to have knowledge. A right to know. News articles vanishing present an existential threat to humanity, in my opinion.

I see lots of existential threat issues here.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 34 of 39 (889066)
11-01-2021 3:51 AM
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11-01-2021 3:45 AM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
Does anybody know anybody who has all print issues of Newsweek from September, 2001?

I want a photocopy of the caption line that describes the cancelled military leader's flights as coming from a "particularly urgent" warning on 9/10.

Libraries have ditched their print Newsweek back issues. Since they get no new print issues anymore. Newswerk went online.


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PaulK
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Message 35 of 39 (889067)
11-01-2021 4:51 AM
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11-01-2021 3:45 AM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
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Search Engines refusing to allow (non virus, non pornographic) sites to come up in searches could be seen as a free speech issue.

It’s only a Constitutional issue if the government forces them to hide sites.

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Operating systems come bundled with browsers and search engines.

The search engines supplied with the OS - I assume you mean Siri and Cortana - aren’t the ones you’re complaining about.

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I think that a censorship policy should be an antitrust issue, and the OS should be required to have a toolbar from a non censored search engine

I don’t think it’s an antitrust issue unless you show collusion to suppress information. Microsoft doesn’t force use of Bing, Google allows other search engines. Apple doesn’t even have a search engine as such. And which search engines would be “non-censored” anyway? Forced speech is also a Constitutional issue and you seem to be heading that way.

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We need a constitutional amendment that enables the people to have a right to have knowledge. A right to know. News articles vanishing present an existential threat to humanity, in my opinion.

The fact that you can’t find a twenty-year old article doesn’t mean it’s vanished. Especially when you’ve found it. And it’s on the Newsweek site: We’re at War


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PaulK
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Message 36 of 39 (889068)
11-01-2021 4:52 AM
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11-01-2021 3:51 AM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
Seems you can buy from backissues.com if you really want it. Or check eBay.

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Message 37 of 39 (889072)
11-01-2021 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by PaulK
11-01-2021 4:51 AM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
I will just say that I never heard of the ",Dark Web" until the last year or so.

It seems that alot of sites are getting erased from existence.

I was glad to hear that the illicit porn sites have been driven there, but it seems that 98% of Dark Web sites tend to be political in nature (albeit many have had posters that advocated for violence, at one time or another).

The other issue:

The censorship, on social media platforms, seems collusive - and to a fairly large extent. So, an antitrust context it is within.


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PaulK
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Message 38 of 39 (889073)
11-01-2021 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by LamarkNewAge
11-01-2021 10:13 AM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
quote:
I will just say that I never heard of the ",Dark Web" until the last year or so.

I’ve known about it for a while - a lot of it is criminal. Credit card fraud, drugs dealing, and so on.

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It seems that alot of sites are getting erased from existence.

It doesn’t seem that way to me. But sites come and go all the time.

quote:
I was glad to hear that the illicit porn sites have been driven there, but it seems that 98% of Dark Web sites tend to be political in nature (albeit many have had posters that advocated for violence, at one time or another).

I really doubt that. I can’t imagine that less than 2% are criminal.

quote:
The other issue:

The censorship, on social media platforms, seems collusive - and to a fairly large extent. So, an antitrust context it is within.


It doesn’t seem that way to me at all. What evidence do you have of collusion? Don’t forget that you thought there was a big constitutional issue because you couldn’t find a twenty-year old news article even though it was on the web and was indexed by search engines (that’s how I found it).


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Message 39 of 39 (889075)
11-01-2021 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by LamarkNewAge
11-01-2021 10:13 AM


Re: I just noticed something "hellish" (and constitutes a constitutional crisis)
Since I work in software security, let me chime in here:

The 'internet' as we know it is comprised primarily of three parts:

1. The World Wide Web: This is the primary area the vast majority of people operate in, which includes open websites like Google, Yahoo, Walmart, Amazon, etc. It's the area that is freely accessible and indexed.

2. The Deep Web: This is the part of the internet that is only accessible post-login or behind firewalls. It would be things like internal corporate networks, hospital patient information/databases, monetary transactions and details (banks) etc. While it can be accessed, it requires authentication of some sort and likely a VPN tunnel.

3. The Dark Web: This is an area of the internet that is technically accessible, but only via something called onion routing. It is an algorithm designed by the NSA/CIA that allows for anonymous movement through the internet without leaving a trail. None of the sites on the Dark Web are indexed, so you need to know the onion address you are accessing. You also need an onion-routing supported browser to access them; i.e. something like Tor.

I was glad to hear that the illicit porn sites have been driven there, but it seems that 98% of Dark Web sites tend to be political in nature (albeit many have had posters that advocated for violence, at one time or another).

To be honest, the vast majority of porn sites still exist on the free web. Most of the 'porn' that might hide on the dark web would be things like child pornography. Also, for countries with stricter censorship or decency rules, some porn sites might also exist on the dark web to allow for access from those locations.

But truthfully, most of what you will find on the dark web will be either hacker forums or likely some shady sites that sell drugs, illegal weapons, etc. There was a website on the dark web called The Silk Road that existed for many years which was basically the craigslist of the dark web and it sold all manner of things including drugs. Has since been shut down to my knowledge.

The real danger in accessing the dark web is downloading files that contain malware or viruses. There are no checks and balances on the dark web, so you roll the dice anytime you download anything.


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