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Message 4 of 80 (888984)
10-28-2021 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-28-2021 11:26 AM


I started out to answer the items individually but it's a waste of time.

The bulk answer is: You have a right to practice your religion. You do NOT have a right to impinge on anybody else's rights. When I'm at the mall, I have a right not to hear you blathering.

25) There should be a religious right to practice ritual cannibalism.

Somebody may be pulling your leg.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 15 of 80 (889010)
10-29-2021 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
10-28-2021 4:09 PM


Re: Freedom From (or Of) Religion
Phat writes:

2) Service personnel on military bases should be permitted religiously mandated headwear regardless of uniform dress codes. Yes, but only during Chapel. Military responsibilities and protocols over ride religious rights.


In Canada, Sikhs, etc. in the Army have the right to wear their religious headgear, apparently even in combat roles. Our former Defense Minister, Harjit Sajjan, was an Army Colonel.

Phat writes:

18) Religious organizations should have the same right to apply for government funding that secular organizations have. YES.


But religious organizations already have tax-exemption rights. Why should they be able to take funds out when they don't put them in?

Phat writes:

19) Women should have a religious right to obtain an abortion regardless of government restrictions. As long as they pay for it...unless they were raped.


That's an odd question. How much demand is there for "a religious right to obtain an abortion"? And making rape an exception has always bothered me. Why does it make a difference?

Phat writes:

20) Indigenous peoples should have a religious right to refuse infrastructure construction on land they deem sacred. depends whose land it legally is.


Apparently you're unaware of the last few hundred years of history. "Whose land it legally is" is very much in dispute.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 29 of 80 (889043)
10-31-2021 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
10-31-2021 9:26 AM


Re: Lets Cancel Cancel Culture
Phat writes:

...when one guy is offended on the public mall, he alone has the right to veto the Great Commission?


Yes. EVERYBODY has the right to veto the Great Commission. That's the "free will" that you keep touting.

Phat writes:

This whole cancel culture narrative is a liberal attempt to control what is said and heard.


I, for one liberal, do not want to cancel out anybody. I INVITE you to blather your nonsense (here, where it's appropriate). I DO NOT want to silence you. I just want to point out how stupid your ideas are.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 30 of 80 (889044)
10-31-2021 2:26 PM
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10-31-2021 11:35 AM


Re: ct! Re: as long as they follow existing marketing, sales licensing.
Phat writes:

jar writes:

If you offend thy neighbor you are doing it wrong.

Well if true, why was Jesus crucified?


Same reason why you would crucify Jesus if He was alive today - you don't like His message.

Phat writes:

He obviously offended somebody.


And He offends you, which is why you deny Him and make up a right-wing substitute.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 31 of 80 (889045)
10-31-2021 2:30 PM
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10-31-2021 2:01 PM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
Phat writes:

Let's say that I lived on "land" belonging to some long-forgotten tribe and that by law it was taken from me and I became a desperate homeless old man who likely would die on the street? Perhaps out of a drug-addicted and brain-addled old mind I even began to steal from grocery stores for sheer survival. So what have your liberal mandates regarding honor and reparations then done for me?


Liberal mandates would feed you, shelter you, clothe you - regardless of how you got into that condition.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 44 of 80 (889177)
11-08-2021 10:44 AM
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11-07-2021 3:08 PM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
Phat writes:

At least the conservatives want to support the middle class...


Rob the poor to suit the rich.

Phat writes:

... instead of wrecking them...


Nobody but you is talking about " wrecking the middle class". Helping the poor will benefit everybody.

Phat writes:

... in order to appease and help the poor.


Appeasement? You manage to make everything sound bad.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 50 of 80 (889193)
11-09-2021 11:01 AM
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11-08-2021 11:52 AM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
Phat writes:

What ringo either fails to understand or doesnt care about is that the working middle class are stuck with the added burden of lifting up the poor.


It isn't that I "fail to understand". I flat-out deny it. It's a bloody lie that the rich tell you while they're stealing your eyeballs.

Phat writes:

It seems unfair for us to bear this burden and does not help us.


Who's this "us"? YOU are the only one here complaining about a "burden". Practically everybody here is as middle class as you and they're all trying to tell you that you're being deceived by the right wing.

Phat writes:

Granted Jesus may applaud us giving it all up...


It isn't about "applause". It's about heaven and hell.

I think I have mentioned this before: My father used to say that we make our own heaven and hell on earth. You're content with making life hell for the poor.

quote:
Hosea 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind:

Phat writes:

... but making the middle class poorer does NOT help everybody.


Think of the money you would save on welfare. Think of the money you would save on policing. Think of the money you would save on addiction programs.

Helping the poor is an investment, not a burden.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 53 of 80 (889247)
11-12-2021 11:03 AM
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11-10-2021 12:46 PM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
Phat writes:

Every time a cartful of boostable products go out our doors I see less chance of a needed cost of living increase for the workers. And i cant help being irritated by the shoplifters...they could care less about employee livlihood.


You unionized workers at Safeway are already making more than the workers doing the same job at non-unionized stores. And they're making more than the people who can't get a decent job or a decent place to live. And yet, you claim to "need" a cost-of-living increase. Why should people care about your livelihood when it's already so much better than their own?

Phat writes:

This bothers me and is not simply a political issue that can be fixed through funding!


It can be improved through funding.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 66 of 80 (889319)
11-16-2021 11:08 AM
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11-15-2021 6:32 PM


Re: Most Shoplifters Are NOT Poor
Phat writes:

We also have smaller time thieves. They roll one cart out and roll it down the street to the bus stop. They are likely the poor disenfranchised masses that tug at your humanistic heartstrings.


Well, those are the ones we've been talking about. You seem to be just as outraged at them.

Phat writes:

The union has lobbied for armed security as a safety issue but so far no results.


I hope your union isn't stupid enough to think that more guns will make you safer. If they are, and if you have have half a brain, you'll tell your union to stop that lobbying.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 79 of 80 (889354)
11-19-2021 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Phat
11-18-2021 1:51 PM


Re: Most Shoplifters Are NOT Poor
Phat writes:

We have no position on armed or not.


And yet you've mentioned it twice.

Phat writes:

We just want the authority present to stop the evil that abounds.


Why not stop the evil at its source?

Phat writes:

As the shoplifters become more brazen we fear for our security personally.


As I said before, the drugstore where I worked reduced their response to shoplifters:
1. to reduce the risk to the staff confronting them.
2. to reduce the backlash from charges of racism, etc.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 80 of 80 (889355)
11-19-2021 11:04 AM
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11-18-2021 1:36 PM


Re: Forget Religion. Liberty In General
Phat writes:

socialist ringo writes:

Why should people care about your livelihood when it's already so much better than their own?


Because that's how America works.

It doesn't work for the thousands of homeless and hungry. It doesn't seem to work very well for you either, judging by your constant complaints.

Phat writes:

We don't strive for everyone to be making the same wage.


I didn't suggest any such thing. I said that since you make more than many other people - including people doing the same job as you - you have less to complain about than they do.

Phat writes:

Your Socialism is showing again!


If you had a clue what socialism is, I'd take that as a compliment.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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