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AZPaul3
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Message 14 of 80 (889001)
10-28-2021 11:04 PM


Greatest Right
I’m thinking the best religious freedom of all is the right to make religion, all of it, a relic of our primitive human past and of no force or consequence for a modern world. I wish larger segments of society exercised that right.

Governments, societies, all peoples everywhere can do this wondrous thing (make a relic of religion) by ignoring the religious loony fuckheads. We go and do what we* know is right and fuck their religious sensibilities.

We could crush religion as an intellectual influence in society, in large populations, in nations, in the world (such hopes!), if more people would join the atheist conspiracy*.

Com’on people! We can do this! Protect your rights! Ignore the loonies! Ignore the loonies!

* - Humanists, humanism, the atheist conspiracy, the moral and intellectual conscience of humanity. To join just start ignoring religious loony fuckheads and you’re in. No dues, no fees. Sorry, no membership cards or decoder rings either. What you expect for free, bro?

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Message 19 of 80 (889019)
10-30-2021 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-28-2021 11:26 AM


1) Students should have a religious right not to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

What’s the religious BS? This is a secular right. You have the right to not pledge for whatever reason.

2) Service personnel on military bases should be permitted religiously mandated headwear regardless of uniform dress codes.

On base, yes. In combat training … like combat, all bets are off.

3) Incarcerated persons should be permitted religiously mandated headwear regardless of prison dress codes.

Incarceration does not negate humanity. Humans have that right regardless of domicile.

4) Children should have a religious right to attend school without being vaccinated.

No. When it comes to health and safety in the public schools your religion stops at the school house door.

5) Individuals should have the right to proselytize in public spaces regardless of anti-solicitation ordinances.

No. We the people have decided that this is a limited-speech right not appropriate to certain public spaces. Also, anti-solicitation ordinances do not discriminate and exist for valid public reasons.

6) Individuals should have the right to proselytize in semipublic spaces like shopping malls and baseball stadiums.

Semi-public means private. This would be up to the owners.

7) Teacher-led prayer should be permitted in public schools.

No. Undue influence on a vulnerable captive audience.

8) Student-led prayer should be permitted at public school assemblies.

No. Undue influence on a vulnerable captive audience.

9) Business owners should have a religious right to refuse service to customers on the basis of gender.
10) Business owners should have a religious right to refuse service to customers on the basis of race.

Business owners, licensed by the public to transact their business, must obey all anti-discrimination laws. Religion is no excuse. If your religion does not allow you to conduct business in this society in accordance with your license then you have no right to have the license or to conduct the business.

12) Houses of worship should be exempt from zoning regulations.

Of course not. Group them all with the lead smelters and the whore houses. Must stay at least 2500 feet from any school zone or governmental building. All religious buildings must be painted paisley.

13) Religious organizations should be exempt from employment anti-discrimination laws.

Ok, within reason. Wouldn’t expect a catholic priest suing a local mosque for not hiring him as Imam to be justified under such law. Other groups may have legitimate complaints. Case-by-case with me as the judge.

14) Religious organizations should be exempt from workplace safety regulations.
15) Religious exemptions from vaccination mandates should be allowed under any circumstances.
16) Religious exemptions from vaccination mandates should be allowed if medical exemptions are allowed.

All 12-16: No. Religious fantasies cannot be allowed to endanger the public health and worker safety.

17) Individuals should have a religious right not to work on their holy days.

They already have the right to negotiate with their employer. No separate religiously-centered right necessary.

No one has a right to a paid or even unpaid holiday, secular, religious, federal, personal or otherwise. It's a matter of societal norms and negotiation.

18) Religious organizations should have the same right to apply for government funding that secular organizations have.

No. Separation of church and state. You give us nothing. We give you nothing.

19) Women should have a religious right to obtain an abortion regardless of government restrictions.

What’s the religious BS? This is a secular right. Women control. Not church or government. Well, should be, anyway.

20) Indigenous peoples should have a religious right to refuse infrastructure construction on land they deem sacred.

From centuries old claims? That doesn’t work in a modern setting.

No religious right to make old property claims. Protest, petition, negotiate, rebel, publicize your claims for redress by society but you have no right of absolute religious claim.

21) Polygamy should be permitted as a religious right.

Frankly, I see no problem with polygamy among freely consenting adults. Don’t need any religious reasons. It should be allowed under secular law.

22) Publicly traded companies should have religious rights.

What would that entail? What kind of religious right could the SEC violate? Is there a claimed religious right to accelerated depreciation? No. This is just religious stupidity gone wild.

23) Religious organizations should have the right to refuse to cover contraceptive services in their health insurance plans.

That should be a matter of negotiation with employee input, but that doesn’t happen in hard corps capitalist systems like the USofA, so no.

No. Contraceptive services should be an employee elective and religious organizations not allowed to object. Actually we should have universal healthcare with contraceptive services included. Totally independent of employer or church.

24) For-profit companies should have a religious right to refuse to cover contraceptive services in their health insurance plans.

No. See 23 above.

25) There should be a religious right to practice ritual cannibalism.

Of course not. This is just stupidly inflammatory.

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Message 48 of 80 (889181)
11-08-2021 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
11-08-2021 11:52 AM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
What ringo either fails to understand or doesnt care about is that the working middle class are stuck with the added burden of lifting up the poor.

How is this so?

What makes you think only the middle class are burdened with this?

Apparently, the rich don't want to help and, from your attitude, neither does the middle.

So what do we do? Let the poor stay destitute? Throw their lives to the wolves (the rich and middle)?


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Message 56 of 80 (889256)
11-12-2021 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Phat
11-10-2021 12:46 PM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
...what riles me up in general about the urban poor apart from the fact that so many of them steal ...

What did you expect from the abused serfs? How much poorer can they get after generations of systemic poverty? How much more abuse do you require they suffer?

The coming strife will not free them or us. Just change our masters.

For now, I understand the loyal employee thing you are involved in. Theft is not good for the bottom line goes the mantra. Nor is human suffering so deep and pervasive it makes people steal.

Right now retailers write off inventory shrinkage without any impact on the CEO's $100 million annual bonus. It really doesn't impact that level of business at all.

And this, I should think, would please you. It seems the christian thing to do. If your employer can be so forgiving, at least at the higher levels, you should be as well, right?

Matthew 6:25, Psalm 68:3

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AZPaul3
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Message 59 of 80 (889275)
11-14-2021 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by xongsmith
11-13-2021 10:02 PM


Re: Stealing
I guess the more they steal the less he has to stock. Or something.

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