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jar
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Message 1 of 40 (889182)
11-08-2021 2:22 PM


So I am curios about what OS we are using and if we are planning changes.

Right now I have Linux, Windows and OSx all running and Fedrora, Ubuntu, Mint, Centos and Open SuSE as Linux flavors.

What's your systems like?


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Message 2 of 40 (889183)
11-08-2021 2:54 PM
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11-08-2021 2:22 PM


openSUSE
I am using openSUSE here.

I have tried Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Slackware. But I am still preferring openSUSE.

I also have Windows 8.1 (on my desktop) and Windows 7 (on a laptop), but I am not seriously using those. I never did like Windows.

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AZPaul3
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Message 3 of 40 (889184)
11-08-2021 3:29 PM
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11-08-2021 2:22 PM


Open source is one of the greatest developments for programs. And since I am an ole techie always on the cutting edge I use ... windows 10. Sorry.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 4 of 40 (889185)
11-08-2021 3:33 PM
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Windoze 10 and Ubuntu
ok, Windows 10 with some glitch that makes all my windows FULLSCREEN and has disabled resizing any of them and some later, but still too old to update, version of Ubuntu where i do my programming on baseball stats with cut, sort, awk and c.

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11-08-2021 4:14 PM


Beyond Windows 10?
Of my computers that currently run Windows, all are running Windows 10 but only two are Win11 capable or capable within reasonable upgrade costs. I imagine that I'll stick with Win10 there at least until EOL.

Also my Apple based machines have made it as far as Catalina but upgrades to any future OSx versions look less likely. As Apple changes towards in-house hardware it may become necessary to simply drop that format as well.


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Message 6 of 40 (889187)
11-08-2021 6:30 PM
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11-08-2021 2:22 PM


Server's in the cloud running Centos 6.7.

Development machine is a MacBook Pro 16" with the M1 Pro chip. The OS is Monterey (12.0.1), which has Apple's Darwin underneath, which is a Unix-like OS close enough to Linux for me not to care. Most of the time I'm on Linux. Apple started encouraging users to switch to the zsh shell a few years ago and it seems fine.

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11-08-2021 6:52 PM


Mac. Hate Micro$oft couldn't make Linux work consistently.

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Message 8 of 40 (889190)
11-08-2021 6:58 PM
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11-08-2021 6:52 PM


I used Cygwin on Windows to provide Linux-like capability. It wasn't perfect but pretty serviceable. The neat thing was that my Linux windows coexisted with all my Windows windows and apps. Copy/pasting back and forth was easy, e.g., between Emacs and Word or between a PDF and a shell.

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11-09-2021 5:49 AM
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11-08-2021 2:22 PM


Latest LTS Ubuntu 20.04, but I have a dual boot with Windows 10 (for StarCraft2 and Chessbase).

Android 11 on the phone. Apple proprietary stuff is for rich people.

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11-09-2021 9:10 AM
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11-09-2021 5:49 AM


CosmicChimp writes:

Apple proprietary stuff is for rich people.

You mean iPhones or Macs or the whole ecosystem? Anyway, Apple has no cheap or base level models, so the cost of entry is higher on average, but Apple's prices have plenty of company among equivalent desktops, laptops and cell phones.

I like Windows machines, used them for development for years, but I finally got tired of the expense and the "reinstall all my software from scratch and copy over all data and read it back in" drudgery (particularly Apache, MySQL, PHP, Outlook and iTunes) that I had to repeat every two or three years because they'd fail or become unreliable. I've never had a MacBook fail or go wonky, and when I upgrade, as I recently did, Migration Assistant brings everything over automatically in a couple hours, including every single setting no matter how obscure as far as I can tell, from the old Mac to the new.

There *was* a problem with Apache and PHP on the new Apple Silicon. The Apache httpd.conf file I've used for years and years across a couple Macs no longer worked, and finding the offending directives took several hours of trial and error (Nothing in error.log. I have no idea why they didn't work and do not know what loading the modules mod_slotmem_shm.so and mod_negotiation.so does. I looked them up but my background and experience do not run much in that direction and I didn't understand the explanations.). And PHP is no longer preinstalled on Monterey, so I had to install it myself.

Another problem: I discovered a couple productivity apps that didn't work on the new Apple silicon. They run fine, they just don't do anything. They are fluor and Alt-Tab. I expect this situation is common.

--Percy


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Message 11 of 40 (889194)
11-09-2021 11:23 AM
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11-08-2021 2:22 PM


I'm at the library on an HP Compaq (3.30 GHz, 4.00 GB RAM) running Windows 7 Pro SP1.

At home, I'm running Windows XP on a machine that I've had for more than ten years and it wasn't new when I bought it (not connected to the Internet). Our local used computer stores all seem to have disappeared, so when it dies I'll probably have to buy new.

I started out on Windows 98. I once had a laptop running Vista, which I didn't like much.


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Message 12 of 40 (889195)
11-09-2021 1:08 PM
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11-08-2021 2:22 PM


I use Windows 10 pro 64 on all my machines. My wife and I got our 1st PC around 1990, a 386-40, custom built by the brother of a guy I worked with who built computers for almost everyone who worked in our lab. DOS was the operating system and later we installed Windows 3.1. Some where along about this time we tried an operating system called Geoworks that was like windows, but a lot better. It was forced out when Gates signed IBM up to use his operating systems exclusively.

My wife was a computer guru in the nuclear engineering department at her university and worked on UNIX systems and she built our next computers, some version of Pentiums and we used several Windows versions including NT.

The first computer I built was a Windows XP machine and I was pretty pleased with it and that was when I started using Photoshop. I really liked Windows 7 and it was the most stable Photoshop compatible operating system. We never used Windows Vista or Windows 8 and resisted moving to Windows 10 as long as possible.

I never messed with all those other UNIX related spinoff operating systems, because the software programs I mainly use do not seem to function well outside the Windows environment.

When I was on my last job the whole agency was using Apple computers. I really learned to absolutely HATE Apple and everything about them. I had the only PCs in the building for my imaging systems and SEM. They forced me to have a laptop Mac but it stayed in a desk drawer except when I took it out once a month to fill out and submit my time sheet. They tried to make me use an iphone, but I wasn't going to carry 2 phones.

AE: Oh yeah, forgot about Windows 95 & 98, we used those too. I had a computer at work running OS/2 because the manufacturer of the Gamma-Ray detector it was hooked to, wrote their software to run on OS/2. Eventually I had to modify everything to run on Windows NT.

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11-09-2021 2:32 PM
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11-09-2021 11:23 AM


I started out on a PDP-8 programming assembler. My first home computer ran Windows-95.

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Message 14 of 40 (889197)
11-09-2021 3:24 PM


My first computer was a TI-99, MS-DOS, and had the most complex and killer code ever created ... VisiCalc.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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11-09-2021 10:25 PM
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11-09-2021 3:24 PM


My first home computer was a Sinclair ZX-80 which was interesting and the only one that fit my married enlisted home budget. Though my first computer was the university's IBM S/370. As a student reading IBM S/370 hex dumps, I could read machine code and EBCDIC character codes fluently by sight, but not Intel '86 machine code and in nearly four decades of working as a software engineer I never did pick up more than a couple dozen ASCII character codes, if even that many.

My second home computer was a TI-99A with the peripheral expansion box which I got after starting my civilian career. It had MultiMate, which is how I learned how to use a spreadsheet application. When I upgraded to an XT clone (ran at Norton Factor 2) the difference was night and day. On the TI-99, you needed special software to examine memory and otherwise explore the computer, but on a PC the entire system was completely open to you. I was even able to identify and analyze my first Trojan malware, a downloadable graphic program to simulate a Star Trek star field view screen but behind the scenes it looked for the user and password files on a BBS system -- I became curious when it kept hitting on the hard drive, so I used debug to disassemble the program and figure out what was going on.

I was also disappointed with the TI-99 when I learned how it actually worked. The advertising for it touted its microprocessor, the TMS9900, being a 16-bit device, but I could not find where it was even used. Instead, everything, including your BASIC programs, were run by the graphics processor. The only code that was ever run by the TMS9900 would be assembly programs that you had written. At least as far as I could see.

BTW, at the time (1983-1984), my first civilian project was embedded programming for a training device that used the TMS9900, which was chosen in the original designs in 1977 because that was then the only existing 16-bit microprocessor. We did our development work on TI-990 minicomputers. That was part of why I had chosen the TI-99A when it was time to upgrade from the Sinclair.

My TI-99 and expansion box are now stored in the garage. Does anyone know of any hobbyists or museums who might be interested in it?

... the most complex and killer code ever created ... VisiCalc.

Decades ago PBS had a few shows done by a computer magazine columnist or the like who went through the history of the computer industry starting with the late 70's -- the first one was titled something like "Triumph of the Nerds: Accidental Empires." Lots of interesting information.

In a later show, he interviewed the guys who developed VisiCalc, which was called the "killer app" that sold businesses on the Apple II. They were two hippie-type students, one a computer science major and the other an accounting major. In my 1970 Accounting 101 class, we were taught about actual spreadsheets which were basically large sheets ruled with t-journal columns that you would use as scratch paper for preparing your report, after which you would use the spreadsheet to stuff your flue (according to my teacher). They worked out a way to automate a spreadsheet which became VisiCalc. They couldn't sell it, but a salesman bought the whole thing from them for a couple hundred dollars and then turned it into a fortune.

At the end of the interview when asked how they felt about how everything had gone down, they smiled and replied in hippie fashion (from memory): "Hey, we wanted to change the world. We did that."


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