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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Please DON'T quote him directly. Tell us in your own words how he explains and believes. Until I get the actual paperback copies of two books that I am ordering from the author, I cannot quote directly how he explains and believes.... Hint: Since you usually can't explain the oh-so-sensible "explanations" that you have seen and read, maybe it should occur to you that they aren't so sensible after all."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That isn't what believers tell us. Remember Faith? She claimed that she had studied a myriad of other religions before deciding that right-wing-nut fundamentalism was the One True Religion.
... keep in mind that believers don't simply read every book on every religion as well as psychology. Phat writes: Believers seek God, not becoming free from Him.quote:Don't confuse slavery with love. "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's another version of, "Some things can't be explained - so here's the explanation." Enns might argue that God will never be understood... Edited by ringo, : No reason given."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, YOU throw out the Bible.
Unbelievers such as Carrier throw not only God but the Bible and scripture fully away. Phat writes:
Reality. By what map do they seek truth?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
PhatI WILL quote him directly. This is the Book Nook Forum...not the In Your Own Words Forum or the Science Forum.
All of EvC is the In Your Own Words Forum. Percy has told you so himself. Again, if your heroes are making sense, you should be able to explain them sensibly."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nope. You don't get to have your own evidence. (How do you think a jury would work if each member had his/her own evidence?)
I have my evidence and it is internal. Phat writes:
Surrendering isn't about parking your brain at the door.
Just because you never park your brain at the door does not mean that others, many of the great men of faith had no problems surrendering. Phat writes:
I presume you mean Gautama and Muhammad.
... many of the great men of faith had no problems surrendering. Phat writes:
You contradict yourself. Evidence IS what everybody knows. Salvation begins at an individual level. Not everyone will know. The evidence is internal."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You need to get your story straight. Do you believe/accept what the Jesus in the "dusty old book" said, or don't you? I would argue that Jesus Himself said that the road to salvation (and perhaps knowledge or enlightenment) is narrow and few find it while the broad path of what He calls destruction is clogged with masses of humanity. And the idea of the "straight and narrow way" is less about exclusivity and more about about difficulty. If anybody is excluded, it's because they exclude themsleves. They aren't willing to make the sacrifices. Read Matthew 7. The bit about the narrow way is preceded by, "ask (for spare change) and ye shall receive," and it's followed by, "ye shall know them by their fruits.""I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I think untheistic would be a more accurate description for most of us. It's hard to be "anti" something that doesn't exist.
Of course, you [AZPaul3] and many here are so anti-theistic... Phat writes:
Well, we'd be the first to recognize a god or gods if there was any sign that they existed. YOU, on the other hand, would deny any evidence of any God that wasn't the one YOU have been taught.
... that you will be among the last to recognize that there is but One God... Phat writes:
And YOU are the one who denies everything we know about the character of Jesus Christ.
... known through the character of Jesus Christ.... Phat writes:
You're fixated on "things". It isn't about giving things away. It's about trusting somebody you claim to believe in. No trust = no real belief. With you, it's alll, "Lord! Lord!" and no demonstrated belief at all. I know of nobody here at EvC who would give everything away.... Practically everybody here would give up all the "things" to help their children, etc. Maybe even you would.
Phat writes:
There's plenty of evil in the world besides Republicans. And the blissful ignorance is on your part, thinking your Sky Daddy will magically poof it all away. ... you ae blissfully unaware of the spiritual war and intrinsic evil in the world unless it is defined through Republicans. There's nobody to fix the evil but us - and you keep trying to wesel out of it.
Phat writes:
Original Sin is not an event. It's an explanation of our human nature - the conflict between self-preservation and preservation of the species. That's why most religions - and religions are social institutions - emphasize helping your fellow man. The perverted cult that you follow is an exception. You don't believe in any sort of Original Sin...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Because you're whistling in the dark. You're trying to convince yourself, not anybody else.
I will never convince anyone at EvC that believers (some, at any rate) have had an encounter with God. I ask myself why I even keep trying. Phat writes:
The consensus seems to be that you're crazy. Are you the only genuine Napoleon in the asylum?
Call me crazy... Phat writes:
So give us a clue. But you keep telling us there aren'y any.
... but I say to get a clue. Phat writes:
Yes indeed. I used to think like you do but I changed my mind. You all will have opportunities in your lives to change your mind."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You contradict yourself.
I am unafraid to question God, but I never have doubts. Phat writes:
Doubting everything should be automatic. If you have no doubts, it isn't really a thought process.
It is you guys who keep trying to introduce doubts into my thought process. Phat writes:
Hello? You're the guy who rejects the dusty old book. How dare you use it as your argument?
See? This scripture not only mentions Jesus as the chief cornerstone.... Phat writes:
I didn't "throw away" God's Son. He never existed.
I realize that you have been right all along regarding my need to listen to Jesus. I am simply challenging you in regards to doing the same rather than throwing away God's Son simply to be humanist imitations of the Creator. Phat writes:
The only damnation is you damning the people you're supposed to help - and in the process damning yourself to an empty, paranoid life. Look out! Demons to the left of you! Demons to the right of you! Demons in front of you! Who needs more damnation than that?
....but I suppose you could argue that following the message will prevent your damnation. Phat writes:
So why do you still reject the message? For the record, I believe that if hell exists, the only way we would end up there is by us rejecting the message."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It doesn't matter if it will "ultimately" work (if that even means anything). It works on a day-to-day basis. Helping the less fortunate IS to your benefit. If nothing else, it saves the taxpayer the expense of getting the dead bodies off the street. The jury is still out on whether or not it will ultimately work."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You persist in missing the point: Belief is not exact. You have failed to declare what exactly it is (in the way of a Deity) that you believe in."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Read your Bible. That passage (Matthew 7: 15-20) warns of false prophets. You should be testing the people who feed you your doctrines - by their fruits. (and don't lie to us and tell us Hitler was Christian. You will know them by their fruits. ) Notice also that that passage continues, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." You have to DO the will of God, not just claim to believe. And it continues... to say that He never knew those who do not DO. You have to believe in DOING. And it continues... with the parable of the house built on solid rock and the house built on sand - i.e. if your beliefs are not built an a firm foundation, they will do you no good."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It's probably best not to play the majority card.
You will never have the majority that you need. quote: quote: Majority does not determine truth. Th "Moral Majority" was neither."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I had a teacher who used to say, "If cows don't do it, it isn't natural." According to tradition Jesus was natural. When your Big Mac rises from the dead you can compare it to Jesus."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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