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Tangle
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Message 7 of 137 (889646)
12-10-2021 1:07 PM


What a load of waffle; and what a surprise, the bible isn't literally true! It's full of problems and contradictions! Who knew!

The bible is exactly what you wish to make it CofE Anglicans have been saying that for a hundred years or more.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 33 of 137 (889687)
12-11-2021 11:03 AM


I went to my first humanist funeral yesterday. It was pleasant enough, just a bit naff. But at least god wasn't splashed about all over the place like it was ok for my mate to die because, well, godidit.

In god's place as the panacea for death we had love, family, friendship and memories etc.

As a service of remembrance it worked ok, but personally the last thing I want is all that miserable malarky pretending that the deceased was perfect.

I'm straight off to the crem - on my own - and then delivered in a bottle to the local pub where I'll be buying everyone drinks. My kids are going to put me in a firework and blow me up over the sea at midnight whilst playing Pink Floyd.

All this angst Phat. All this searching for "truth" in other people's daft writings and beliefs. It's not doing you any good. It seems to me that you're driving yourself mad with this hopeless quest of yours.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 48 of 137 (889704)
12-11-2021 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Tanypteryx
12-11-2021 11:20 AM


Phat writes:

Well, what else would they play? Pink Floyd is the obvious choice.

The artists are easy but the song selection not so much.

I'll start a thread on it as it's the season of merriment.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 55 of 137 (889739)
12-12-2021 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
12-12-2021 3:44 PM


Re: if there is Evidence no belief is required.
Phat writes:

Salvation begins at an individual level. Not everyone will know. The evidence is internal.

Don't you think it just a little bit questionable that the internal evidence that you have is what you've acquired from the culture that you've been born into? Was that just lucky?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 71 of 137 (889935)
12-16-2021 12:10 PM


He can't change, he thinks Jesus spoke to him. He has 'internal evidence'.

But Jesus seems to tell different people different things, hence all the thousands of Christian flavours.

I heard a psychiatrist talking about people that hear voices this week. It's virtually impossible to convince them that the 'internal evidence' they hear is delusional. No matter how obviously barking mad it is. And a lot of it is truly mad.

For them it is reality and to cure it we have to accept that it's as real as the chair we sit on to them.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 74 of 137 (889938)
12-16-2021 12:47 PM
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12-16-2021 12:27 PM


Re: Resolving A Challenge.
Phat writes:

You don't believe in any sort of Original Sin (selfishness, competition, and hatred of other people).

Of course we don't; it's most egregious twaddle ever invented by man. It's simply a function of being an evolved ape. We are forced to compete like all other animals. But we are civilising gradually by purely human means.

I don't believe that I have to be selfish or greedy, but I would rather allow that than to give everything up to a godless secular (and self-proclaimed benevolent) government.

The really sad bit about this is that you actually believe that these are the choices open to you. You are a bear of very little brain and what little you have is addled by this religious garbage that wrecks everything.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 80 of 137 (889945)
12-17-2021 5:24 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Phat
12-17-2021 3:56 AM


Re: Chapter One
There's no evidence at all for the existence of Moses. He exists only in your book of myths.

Moses spoke to god privately on a mountain and gave him a set of rules most of which are blinding obvious and the rest are narcissistic and self-serving? Do grow up.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 85 of 137 (890028)
12-22-2021 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Phat
12-22-2021 3:01 AM


Re: About characters in books....
You're crazy

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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