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Tangle
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Message 2 of 81 (890608)
01-08-2022 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
01-08-2022 2:28 PM


My first reaction is 'oh fuck, sorry.'

I really don't know, it feels hopeless. It's a bloody epidemic of stupid and paranoia fed with a constant stream of nauseating lies and a new media mechanic that magnifies and targets the crap at unformed minds.

It's a different form of plague that we haven't got a vax for - apart from education.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 6 of 81 (890619)
01-08-2022 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Percy
01-08-2022 4:59 PM


I doubt there's much you can do but arguing with him will probably alienate him. The usual advice is just to listen without commitment or encouragement and wait for an opportunity to nudge.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 51 of 81 (891552)
02-03-2022 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Percy
02-02-2022 8:11 PM


Re: More From the Young Relative
My wife would tell me not to confront him with stuff that he's forced to reject but to keep talking to him on about anything else. Then hope.

I'd find that hard to do.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 56 of 81 (891562)
02-03-2022 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by jar
02-03-2022 11:14 AM


Quit with the big font already! - reserve it for the nut jobs so we know who they are without having to read their nonsense.

It's more than source though, these whackos are seeking out garbage and rejecting knowledge. They're favouring fiction over fact for some reason. It's hard for the rational to understand. I certainly don't get it.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 58 of 81 (891565)
02-03-2022 12:20 PM
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02-03-2022 11:55 AM


That must explain some of it but the problem isn't unique to the USA - although you're well in front - it's here too and we have a national curriculum.

There just seems to be a proportion of people that reject the rational, actively preferring the irrational.

What do we know about the demographics of these nut jobs?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 64 of 81 (891576)
02-03-2022 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Percy
02-03-2022 3:57 PM


Percy writes:

Sometimes I wonder if there are two types of conspiracy theory believers, or only one type. If there's two types then one type actually believes the conspiracy theories, while the other type knows they're total bullshit but acting like they believe them serves their purposes.

There are people cynically creating these fantasies - some of them probably overseas actors. Some of them are real domestic loonies and there are others exploiting the situation and amplifying it - Fox news, Trump, various fundamental Christian organisation, rightwing wing nuts etc. It's possible that the original conspiracies

The followers believe, the creators, not always.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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