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Dredge
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Message 476 of 1197 (899201)
10-10-2022 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 470 by dwise1
06-18-2022 7:48 PM


Re: Reply to WookieeB (what's wrong with Old ID)
dwise1 writes:
Interestingly, almost all ID and YEC arguments seem to reduce down to "We don't know, therefore God." That is God of the Gaps, pure and simple
... as opposed to the Darwinist version: "We don't know, therefore billions of years done it."

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Dredge
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Message 478 of 1197 (899220)
10-10-2022 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by ringo
10-10-2022 12:47 PM


Re: Reply to WookieeB (what's wrong with Old ID)
Thread = ID
477
ringo writes:
The scientific version is, "We don't know, so let's find out." Science looks at reality to find answers to questions and solutions to problems.
Some things will be forever unknowable - such as the process that produced the profound changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record ... in which case, your "We don't know, so let's find out" motto doesn't apply.
Unfortunately, what evolutionary "science" does in that case is adopt a couple of other mottos:
1. "We don't know, so let's concoct imaginative stories about what might have happened and pretend they represent legitimate science."
2. "We don't know - the mysterious magic of billions of years done it."

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Dredge
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Message 481 of 1197 (901284)
11-08-2022 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 480 by driewerf
11-08-2022 5:57 AM


driewerf writes:
The sheer fact that there is an alternative explanation - the theory of evolution - that fits all known facts better than yours invalidates your argument (or lack thereof).
If you ask me, the explanatory power of the theory of evolution is seriously overrated. For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved.
How did their hollow fangs evolve? How did their poison glands evolve? How did the connection between their hollow fangs and their poison glands evolve?
How did those snakes survive while the aforementioned system was evolving? Why did that system need to evolve at all, since the snakes had been surviving without it?

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Dredge
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Message 483 of 1197 (901294)
11-08-2022 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 482 by Theodoric
11-08-2022 8:06 AM


Theodorkic writes:
Personal incredulity does not override science.
That is your best explanation of how venomous snakes evolved? What a pathetic cop-out.

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Dredge
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Message 485 of 1197 (901297)
11-08-2022 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by Theodoric
11-08-2022 9:29 AM


Theodorkic writes:
I do not have to explain.
Darwinists don't have to explain anything - they just make up stories. Whoever comes up with the best story, wins.
You have been given multiple possible scenarios. There is plenty of information on the subject on the internet. There are actual scientific papers(which you will dismiss because of your incredulity) on the subject. Here is a news article on one.
Snakes evolved venom fangs multiple times from wrinkles in their teeth | New Scientist
That article is a pathetic joke ... credulous atheist fools clutching at straws.
No matter what info and data are presented you just poo poo it and claim it is not evidence.
It's not my fault that the theory of evolution is a simplistic nineteenth century idea that is hopelessly inadequate, and that Darwinists are too blind and stupid to see it.
You are just a troll
I've noticed that you call every creationist on this site a "troll". At least you're being consistent ...

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Dredge
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Message 490 of 1197 (901345)
11-08-2022 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by ringo
11-08-2022 11:06 AM


ringo writes:
isn't it funny that scientists from every religion agree on what the best story is?
No, it's not funny at all ... it's actually quite sad that otherwise intelligent people accept a scientific theory as dubious as ToE.

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Dredge
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Message 491 of 1197 (901414)
11-09-2022 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by Taq
11-08-2022 11:41 AM


Dredge writes:
If you ask me, the explanatory power of the theory of evolution is seriously overrated. For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved.
Taq writes:
There will always be specific adaptations that we don't have a specific answer for. That's just the nature of science in general. No scientist is claiming they are omniscient, or that any theory can explain everything. That's why scientists continue to do research.
Well, until their research provides a sensible explanation of how venomous snakes evolved, for example, I will continue to consider ToE to be inadequate.
Taq writes:
What you ignore is what evolution does explain ... It explains the patterns found in the fossil record.
Oh, you mean like the pattern evident in the Cambrian explosion, for example ... dozens of novel Phyla appearing relatively suddenly without any evidence of evolutionary ancestors?
LOL!!
What you ignore is what evolution does explain
What Darwinists ignore is what ToE doesn't explain.

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Dredge
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Message 511 of 1197 (901681)
11-13-2022 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by ringo
11-09-2022 3:03 PM


ringo writes:
Nobody cares what you think.
They will when I win a Nobel Prize.

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Dredge
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Message 512 of 1197 (901682)
11-13-2022 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-10-2022 3:00 AM


MrID writes:
Darwin was stupid.
Trying to explain the miracle of creation using science certainly is stupid. The result of that Fool's Errand will be a scientific theory that is hopelessly inadequate ... welcome to ToE and the mad, mad world of Darwinism.

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Dredge
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Message 543 of 1197 (904785)
01-07-2023 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by Taq
11-17-2022 10:35 AM


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Taq writes:
The theory of evolution absolutely can explain why the changes are due to natural mechanisms. 
You forgot to mention that worshippers of evolution can't be trusted to tell the truth - they're con-artists and the snake-oil merchants of the scientific community.

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Dredge
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Message 545 of 1197 (904788)
01-07-2023 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-17-2022 8:17 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
if you are supporters of Evolution, you either deluded, or fooled by supporters of Evolution or deliberately deny reality, and uphold Evolution as a religion.
The theory of evolution is a mendacious abuse of science and its aim is to deceive as many suckers as possible into believing that life on earth is the result of a known natural process and is not the miraculous work of a divine Creator (aka God).
In other words, ToE is a demonic invention based on fantasy and lies. Ironically, the principal purveyors of ToE are atheists, who don't believe demons exist. Nevertheless, Satan uses these clueless atheist pawns to spread and promote his lies and nonsense.

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Dredge
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Message 546 of 1197 (904790)
01-07-2023 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Tangle
11-17-2022 8:48 AM


What? You're comparing forensic science to the theory of evolution?

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Dredge
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Message 548 of 1197 (904792)
01-07-2023 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 523 by AZPaul3
11-17-2022 9:17 PM


APauling666 writes:
You are an intellectual fraud.
Consequently, your conclusions are demonstrably false and your intellectual level is rated at that of the flat earth cultists ... irrationally stunted and observably stupid.
That sounds funny coming from someone who thinks it's scientific to believe that lifeless mud turned into human beings.

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Dredge
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Message 549 of 1197 (904793)
01-07-2023 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Taq
11-18-2022 10:40 AM


Taq writes:
What they found is that observations were consistent with natural processes. You don't have to rule out intelligence if you have evidence for natural processes.
Spoken like a true atheist. Well done.

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Dredge
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Message 551 of 1197 (904795)
01-07-2023 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 525 by Taq
11-18-2022 10:58 AM


Taq writes:
We don't have to rule out invisible pink gravity fairies when a planetary orbit perfectly matches the orbit calculated from Newton's and Einstein's formulas.
Comparing astronomy to the ToE is stupidly disingenuous ... and so typically Darwinoid.

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