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Phat
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Message 550 of 1197 (904794)
01-07-2023 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by ringo
01-07-2023 12:21 PM


mendacious: Now theres a new word
Thanks for using a word I've not heard before!
Websters Online writes:
Mendacious: : given to or characterized by deception or falsehood or divergence from absolute truth
Of course, my conservative search engine dared to even mention "absolute truth". Lets explore further. (Im using Duck Duck Go by the way)
Websters writes:
Synonyms & Similar Words
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hypocrite
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Antonyms & Near Antonyms
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The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 575 of 1197 (905248)
01-20-2023 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Taq
01-19-2023 7:10 PM


A Taqtical advantage
Taq writes:
Even a lone human can find purpose and meaning as they learn new things and explore before their death.
Go on...
Taq writes:
What's wrong with transitory meaning and purpose? Finding new meaning and purpose as the world changes around you doesn't seem like a problem.
I look at it like this. Dream as if you (or your species) are gonna live forever. Plan as if you could be gone tomorrow.
Taq writes:
Overall, Christian apologetics seems to have a problem with the subjectivity of the human experience. I have often seen phrases like, "in atheism, there is no real purpose in life," as if a subjective purpose is not real.
This is charging up my neurons a bit. I will have to think about what you just said.
Taq writes:
In my own experience as an atheist, I have become very comfortable with the subjective. I don't need the universe to have an intrinsic purpose in order to find my own purpose in life, and subjective morality works quite well for me (and for society). I am able to understand and embrace both my objective skeptical side and my very subjective and fallible human side. The human experience is one big contradiction after another, and I think it's a great ride.
Do you see subjectivity in truth? Traditionally, I attempted to validate belief as an objective truth. This was made possible only because I became a believer and focused on *that* emotional objectivity. Im trying to understand this concept of what a subjective truth actually would be.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 606 of 1197 (906090)
02-07-2023 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 605 by Dredge
02-07-2023 7:27 AM


Nowhere or Now Here?
I watched that link.
Notice in the video how the Talking Heads and their backup vocals had no shoes on! Classic!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 607 of 1197 (906091)
02-07-2023 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by Dredge
02-07-2023 7:19 AM


The Journey Has Meaning
The journey has meaning because the Past is History and the Future is a mystery. All that we really experience is the Present. He gives us the gift of life. Each day has a meaning of its own.
Matt 6:33-34 NIV writes:
3 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Relax and enjoy the journey, Dredge. Even your one true church should have taught you that.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 609 of 1197 (906099)
02-07-2023 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 608 by Dredge
02-07-2023 9:57 AM


No. All I am saying is that you or I are no judge as to who is an atheist or where they go or what their view is on meaning. Im still trying to figure you out. You claim exclusive status as a member of the True Church Universal, yet you go on and on about evolution and attack the theory as if you are working for some angry God Himself. Do you really think you are helping the peanut gallery by changing their names and mocking them?
Dredge writes:
On one hand, if I were an atheist, I would regard life as meaningless and worthless, so death doesn't deserve to be feared, since it's as just as meaningless as life.
Why fear something that's meaningless? That would be stupid.

On the other hand, as a faithful Catholic, I have no reason to fear death coz it's my belief that the sooner I die the sooner I get to Heaven. So as far as I'm concerned, bring it on, Mr. Reaper.
To Whom are you faithful? Also...how do you or I even know what we would "think" were we atheists?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 616 of 1197 (906139)
02-07-2023 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 615 by ringo
02-07-2023 12:24 PM


Alien Overlord
ringo writes:
Much better than being the slaves of some alien overlord.
Fair enough. What about being the sons of an alien overlord? And what if this so-called overlord had a Son who came here to live and became a native?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 623 of 1197 (906171)
02-08-2023 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 622 by AZPaul3
02-08-2023 11:32 AM


Typical?
AZPaul3 writes:
Typical catholic
Woah there, antitheist! Slow your roll. IIRC, there has never been a conclusive study on what characteristics make up a "typical Catholic".
When I peeked under the mattress and saw some of your gods, I concluded that you worship women! Dredge may just need a Swedish Massage by a good woman.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 626 of 1197 (906176)
02-08-2023 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 620 by Dredge
02-08-2023 9:38 AM


Surely you dont think that the RCC is the only true church. The scripture mentions those
called out. The Ecclese, IIRC. There were originally five churches after the Book of Acts. After Constantine had his dream and made the Rpman church first among equals (since it was within his territory, the eventuality was a split in 1066. 4 of those cities became Eastern Orthodox. The Roman church was in the epicenter of political clout and used their power uniformly at times, divisive at other times, but always with full confidence.
The Protestants came later yet some of them clearly understood and "knew" God better than most of the Popes and Cardinals. Of course to be fair, there is always a remnant...a minority of people in any church that are in touch with the Divine. If they are wise, they wont use it for power.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 632 of 1197 (906187)
02-08-2023 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Dredge
02-08-2023 12:13 PM


That statement proves that you are deluded. Ive no further need to hear anything from you.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 658 of 1197 (906227)
02-09-2023 4:23 AM
Reply to: Message 650 by Dredge
02-08-2023 5:33 PM


Intelligence Quotient
Dredge writes:
My experience of atheists is that, in general, their IQ appears to be well below average.
That's funny. In my experience, atheists in general are smarter than most believers. (Not me, of course! )

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 659 of 1197 (906228)
02-09-2023 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 644 by AZPaul3
02-08-2023 1:43 PM


AZ addressing Dredge writes:
We'll give you a cookie. Congrats.

It's probably already on your computer.
Great humor from Arizona!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 715 of 1197 (906718)
02-16-2023 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 703 by sensei
02-16-2023 11:37 AM


Re: What God?
sensei responding to AZPaul3 writes:
All you do is ranting the same evolutionist nonsense, instead of actually responding to any of my points.
I just noticed this conversation. Welcome to EvC, sensei. Enjoy your stay, but be advised that around here we all are cautious of having an argument framed, if you know what that means.
Can you help me to understand what you mean by the "same evolutionist nonsense"? I was unaware that there was a handbook with such a name.
I am a Bible Thumper and can thump with the best of them, but my opponents here
have their own handbook with which to challenge me. I am in the process of writing my own handbook with which to challenge them back, but it isn't an easy job! Do you know what I mean?

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Phat
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Message 842 of 1197 (907176)
02-19-2023 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 840 by AZPaul3
02-19-2023 1:42 PM


Altar Boys and Altered States
AZAntitheist writes:
Are the two of you really saying that because we don’t know everything down in intricate detail, then, we know nothing? And if we can’t show you specifically what proteins did exactly what in some ultra-specific cases then the reality of the event didn’t happen?

Are you two intellectually dishonest? Is this another “lies for Jesus” stance that makes creationists look so bad?
Wait a minute! Do these two have anything in common? I have yet to hear what sensei's belief is...apart from this whole "anti-Darwinist" thing. To be honest, I never understood why supposed believers waste their time on this stuff. Leave the scientists alone! Come join me and beat up on other religions. Scientists can point and laugh at all of us as they gather data with which to have us rounded up by the Woke Police and herded into internment camps where we will be required to undergo electroshock therapy until we renounce our religion!

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Phat
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Message 843 of 1197 (907177)
02-19-2023 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 841 by Dredge
02-19-2023 3:00 PM


Pagan Cult?
So if we dunked them in holy water and performed an exorcism, do you really think they would renounce science?

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 845 of 1197 (907184)
02-19-2023 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 844 by AZPaul3
02-19-2023 3:30 PM


Lets ask Diffen
I just thought of something!
Creationism vs Evolution
Diffen:
Creationism or Intelligent Design is the belief that life and the universe were created by a supernatural being (an "intelligent designer"), an omnipotent, benevolent God. Evolution is the process by which different kinds of living organisms developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the Earth. The theory of evolution purports that life on earth evolved from one universal common ancestor about 3.8 billion years ago. It is a "theory" in the scientific sense of the word, which means it is supported by evidence and accepted as fact by the scientific community. The intelligent design hypothesis is not supported by evidence. Since 1929, the term “creationism” in the US has been associated with Christian fundamentalism, and specifically with a disbelief in evolution and a belief in a young earth.
There is also a more detailed comparison chart at the link.
AZPaul3 writes:
Creationists. Typical dishonest.
I consider myself a Cosmological Creationist, but I have no beef with the biologists here on the planet. In other words, I am not a Biblical Creationist and I try and be as honest as I can.

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