WookieeB writes:

Yes, infinity is an abstract concept, not a number. As an abstract concept, it is not something concrete...ever.

Before I thought you just didn't know how infinity works.

But, now... I think you don't know how numbers work.

Infinity is an abstract concept.

Numbers are also abstract concepts.

As abstract concepts...

*neither* is anything concrete... ever.

Let's take infinity first, as you seem to agree with this one:

Infinity does not exist as anything concrete... ever.

-that is, you cannot say "that is infinity!" while pointing at anything

-you can only point at something shaped like how we write infinity (our representation of the concept)

-or you can point at the concept of "an infinite number of things"... like the number of slices when always slicing the remaining distance in half between 2 apples

-but "the number of slices when always slicing the remaining distance in half between 2 apples" is merely displaying the

*concept* of infinity, it is not a concrete existence of "infinity."

-Infinity certainly exists... as a concept

-Infinity, as a concept, can be identified in physical reality... like the number of slices when always slicing the remaining distance in half between 2 apples

-but the concept is not a "concrete thing" in and of itself

Now I'll do the same with numbers. (I'll use the number 2.)

The number two does not exist as anything concrete... ever.

-that is, you cannot say "that is the number 2!" while pointing at anything

-you can only point at something shaped like how we write the number two (our representation of the concept)

-or you can point at the concept of "2 things"... like 2 apples

-but "2 apples" is merely displaying the

*concept* of the number 2, they are not a concrete existence of "the number 2."

-The number 2 certainly exists... as a concept

-The number 2, as a concept, can be identified in physical reality... like having 2 apples

-but the concept is not a "concrete thing" in and of itself

All numbers, including infinity are concepts.

We always describe the concept when observing concrete physical reality.

What's happened here is that you are overly familiar with the concept of "2" and not overly familiar with the concept of "infinity."

You've conflated your over-familiarity with "2" into this actually being a concrete thing... but it's not, it never has been, and it never will be.

You're wrong on a simple, fundamental level.

It's easy to see, easy to explain, and easy to identify to anyone who cares to look at the situation objectively.

Your continued denial only ends up displaying additional problems with your thinking (a large ego, being deceived by others, not wanting to lose... could be a lot of things.)

If you're looking for truth, you need to take a long look at what you're doing here.

Otherwise... I don't really care what you do, as in this thread I'm not concerned with people who don't care about truth.

Added by Edit:

Amidst my rambling, I forgot to make my own point clear.

My point is: Every time you see two objects, you are seeing "the number 2" and "infinity" in reality at the exact same level.

Every time there is two objects: you can see two objects and in your mind (abstractly) count to 2.

Every time there is two objects: you can see the space between them and in your mind (abstractly) how it can be divided up in half an infinite number of times.

You never see "a concrete number 2"

You never see "a concrete infinity"

The only difference is you are very familiar with "the number 2" and "counting abstractly in your mind." This familiarity does not mean "the number 2" concretely exists.

Others who are more familiar with the concept of infinity will see both, all the time... their familiarity does not mean "infinity" concretely exists.

However, both abstract concepts do very much exist in reality any time you have 2 objects or any other example where the concepts can be applied to reality.

The concepts exist, and their applications to reality exist - equally except for your own personal familiarity/credulity with them.

*Edited by Stile, : Forgot to make my point clear*