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Phat
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Message 47 of 83 (891540)
02-02-2022 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by AZPaul3
01-28-2022 7:55 PM


Re: EEEEK!! Help!! Help!!
But but...the spirits fighting in my head ARE real.....either that or its juzt high blood sugar! ....anyway nice hearing from you Hangdawg.

I remember you quite well.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 50 of 83 (891585)
02-04-2022 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by nwr
02-02-2022 11:25 AM


To Fix The Impossible Fix
I don't drink! (I no longer smoke weedo either)

I believe in irrational things. Initially, my beliefs provided comfort. It feels good to be exclusive, chosen, saved, or enlightened. (take your pick)

I later became unafraid to question God, even as I initiated the conversation with Him (through prayer), and believed 100% that I would somehow receive answers eventually in some way shape or form. I think that this expectation alone is what separates believers from the rest who have done as jar suggests and "thrown God away." When someone no longer believes, they essentially deny their initial "saved" or salvation/sanctification experience which made them a "believer" in the first place.

For Hangdawg, (Let's go, Brandon!) it happened through college, education, and rational thinking. I would surmise that this pattern is similar for many of you here at EvC. I would also wager that fewer conservatives become ex-believers than do liberals/Progressives. The political demographic at EvC supports this hypothesis. I'm not saddened by this de-conversion. An honest and thoughtful de-conversion is preferable to trying to maintain a house of cards in the light of evidence-based thinking. It sucks, though. I would rather gamble on future human survival through rescue than through mandatory responsibility.

And the evidence shows that humans of both persuasions are collectively failing. I would rather pray for a miracle than become forced to go all McGuyver and fix the impossible fix.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 52 of 83 (891594)
02-04-2022 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by nwr
02-04-2022 12:05 PM


Re: To Fix The Impossible Fix
I can't argue with that! Usually, when I argue here at EvC I react rather than respond. I am so certain uncertain of my beliefs that I defend them without thinking. (Which is no defense at all! )

But I blaim the blood sugars. my recent A1C was 13.3! I almost passed out at work one day. I do have a new endocrinologist and am now taking my insulin.

Hangdawg, do you even believe that a higher power(anyone wiser than humans) exists at all in any way shape or form? Or did you throw the holy baby out with the bathwater?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
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Message 53 of 83 (891596)
02-04-2022 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by jar
02-01-2022 3:23 PM


Getting Wound Up Before Work
The old Source vs Content argument, eh? Does that mean that humans are hung up on Source? Would it make any difference if my Nephew fooled around and made music that sounded like Mozart?

If Jesus teachings were simply stories in a book told round a campfire, and if any random human could be attributed as the Source and that source was insignificant compared to the Content, it would explain why people fall for the idea that most books of the NT were written by multiple anonymous authors.

And if you are gonna suggest that Source (Men who knew Jesus) was irrelevant, how could we in any way assign a value to anonymous content, be it science, scripture, or the Vedas?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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