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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dwise1 writes:
My dad was a carpenter. Once, when he was finishing a doctor's basement, the doctor said to him, "You're lucky. You can just cover up your mistakes." Guess that's why, while most people practice until they get it right, MDs have to always practice because they can never get it right. Dad replied, "I guess you have to bury yours.""I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
It's a nostril. Not very mysterious.
please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Dredge writes:
1. It moved.
Describe the steps involved... Dredge writes:
When you live in the water, it's more efficient to breathe through the top of your head instead of the front of your face. Transitionals with their nostrils closer to the surface had a better chance of survival - they didn't have to stand on their tails to breathe. (Maybe that infamous "vertical whale" had his fatal accident while taking a breath.) ... and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps. Fun fact: Baleen whales have two blowholes - i.e. nostrils. Are you puzzled about how two nostrils evolved into one in toothed whales?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
And nobody can prove that micro-walking can take you macro-distances? Yawn. ... but what a pity no one can prove that known micro-evolutionary mechanisms are responsible for producing the macro-evolutionary transitions evident in the fossil record."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I know how to swim the Atlantic. Doesn't mean I can do it. How could anyone know how to produce eukaryotes from prokaryotes without actually doing it?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
See Message 120. please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I did describe it. If there's something you don't understand, ask questions. Don't just assume that everybody else is a dim-witted as you. Your reply strongly suggests that you cannot describe the process involved in the evolution of novel body plans and organs...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Message 120 ... and yet no one can describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel organ or body plan. Don't just deny, deny, deny. Discuss. What do you not understand?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Message 120 But it's impossible for anyone to describe any such process...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You keep trying to avoid discussion. Message 120 You keep trying to steer the discussion.... I'm not going anywhere. You can run but you can't hide."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Message 120 Your reluctance to discuss HOW novel body plans and organs evolve is perfectly understandable - why would you want to discuss things you know nothing about?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
A theory is an explanation of a fact. So no, a theory doesn't "become" a fact. Never has, never will. Nobody but an illiterate anti-science dimwit would ever suggest that a theory "turns into" a fact. Try as it might, not even decades of unrelenting Darwinist propaganda can turn a theory into a fact - ie, knowledge. But evolution is a fact. And the theory of Evolution is an explanation of that fact. The theory of Evolution is the best explanation we have for the fact of evolution. In fact, it's the only theory. If you illiterate anti-science goobers could come up with an alternative theory, you might have a chance of defeating evolution.
Dredge writes:
Message 120 Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it - then I will accept that you know how evolution works.Edited by ringo, : Added last paragraph. "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Message 120 Can you describe the step-by-step process involved in the (alleged) evolution of a whale's blowhole or tail?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You're denying that we know how evolution works. I have explained the whale's blowhole in Message 120 and I have linked to that message several times but you just keep repeating the same lie. What am I denying? DISCUSS. If you don't understand, ASK."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
If somebody DID propose a plausible mechanism and they DID test it observably and repeatably in the lab, would you accept that? Or would you say we don't know whether the method was what DID happen historically? All the examples you offer are readily observable and repeatable ... unlike the (alleged) evolution of eurkaryotes from prokaryotes. Your profile calls you a Darwinism skeptic but I don't think you know what skepticism actually means."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
No it doesn't - and nobody claims it does. The theory is an explanation of the fact.
You forgot to mention the next step that you and your fellow Darwinists take in the name of science - the theory (of evolution) then becomes a fact.... Dredge writes:
No it isn't. If there was any faith involved, there wouldn't be people from all faiths who accept the science. ... based on faith ... "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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