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Tanypteryx
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Message 46 of 95 (892574)
03-10-2022 5:12 PM
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03-10-2022 4:00 PM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
We would also want to see what he was told in those rejection letters. I would definitely want to see where they had told him that they wanted to eliminate him as competition in getting their Nobel Prizes.

I don't believe he has submitted it anywhere. And I feel confident in predicting that none of his 5 points will come close to actually addressing his points.

I mean, come on..."Realistically, what is really the Theory of Evolution (ToE)?" and "What are the Problems and Inconsistencies of ToE? Why ToE is Wrong?"

Give me a break!

ABE: The idea that anyone would want to steal his "ideas", or that he could ever compete for a Nobel is pretty funny!

Do we suppose that he has ever read any work that earned a Nobel?

This guy is no threat to science

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Message 47 of 95 (892575)
03-10-2022 5:24 PM
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03-10-2022 5:12 PM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
I read a few pages, it's garbage, pure ravings.

One thing impressed me though, he might be Japanese, in which case his grammar is explicable if not his thought processes.

quote:
Infographic 1: Representation of ToE. Just visualize that this snake is a King Cobra. I did not get the best and suitable FREE picture of King Cobrafor this infographic/presentation. We do not have King Cobra in our backyard in Japan, in where I live. No money for copyright to pay, either, you know. Being not funded is not a hindrance to discover great things in science.(If possible, do not kill King Cobra. Let us save them too.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Message 48 of 95 (892577)
03-10-2022 5:43 PM
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03-10-2022 5:01 PM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
It's as if he took his used toilet paper over to the Louvre and expected them to hang it on the wall next to the Rembrandts. Hilarious.

It reminds me of Kent Hovind's "doctorate dissertation" which starts:

quote:
[voice=hick]"Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. I am a creation/science evangelist. I live in Pensacola, Florida. I have been a high school science teacher since 1976. I've been very active in the creation/evolution controversy for quite some time."[/voice]

Even though this "article" is surprisingly better organized than the others (so MrID was listening to my suggestions after all; color me very surprised), he still uses everything he writes in order to boast of his being such a preternatural genius and everybody who doesn't bow down and worship his infinitely superior brain as brainless idiots. This is no exception.

He even starts this "work" with an "analogy" in which he equates anyone who accepts evolution as flat-earthers -- please note that 1859 was when Russell Wallace and Charles Darwin published their seminal works on evolution and how the flat-earther book was entitled “On the Origin of Flat Earth by Means of Area Selection” as a direct spoof of the title of Darwin's book. On the face of it, the only purpose of that "analogy" is to ridicule the position that he opposes -- though by using the search function in Adobe Reader he does refer back to it much later to try to build a way to refute evolution. Still, I feel that its primary purpose is that of ridicule given that it's the first thing he presents and then he doesn't use it until after half-way through the document -- very poor writing.

With all the praise that he heaps upon himself, he's a far greater (er ... biglier) megalomaniac than even Trump or Kent Hovind that he makes Trump look absolutely humble.

I wonder if he has ever read a peer reviewed article before. What would he put in his Methods section?

Oh, that's the simple part:

quote:
Well ... First you wave your right hand this way. Then you wave your left hand this other way. Then you wave them both very frantically. ...

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Message 49 of 95 (892581)
03-10-2022 6:20 PM
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Re: Tangle's sig
Tangle closes each post with
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

i have been waiting for the update addition, "I am Ukrainian."

just wondering when...


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Message 50 of 95 (892582)
03-10-2022 6:23 PM
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Re: Tangle's sig
"Я українець".

Edited by jar, : ' ---> "


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Message 51 of 95 (892583)
03-10-2022 7:09 PM


Holy Crap!
I made it to page 31, but my eyes were glazing over long before that. If anything it demonstrates that he has no idea what biological evolution is or what the Theory of Evolution is. Falsifying a strawman is really bizarre. I may have sprained something!

I can't figure out if this would be a Triple Strawman or a Strawman^3.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 52 of 95 (892586)
03-10-2022 8:02 PM
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03-10-2022 7:09 PM


Re: Holy Crap!
If anything it demonstrates that he has no idea what biological evolution is or what the Theory of Evolution is.

It appears that their inability to even begin to understand science misleads them into thinking that everything is magick. And everybody knows that the key to magick is having the right incantations, which is why he thinks that just using different words makes his "new" magick more powerful.

A magic trick requires a Magician. Therefore, their answer to everything is "Mandrake did it!"


"Magic is as magic does. Id est, nothing but deceiving the audience!"

Edited by dwise1, : removed extraneous line break


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Message 53 of 95 (892588)
03-10-2022 8:58 PM
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03-10-2022 7:09 PM


Re: Holy Crap!
That subject line should probably be "Unholy crap!"

If anything it demonstrates that he has no idea what biological evolution is or what the Theory of Evolution is.

He also does not understand "falsify" and he does not understand science.

But none of that is surprising, based on his earlier attempts.

Maybe we should wait till he adds his summary and Admin promotes it to a debatable topic.


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Message 54 of 95 (892590)
03-10-2022 9:25 PM
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03-10-2022 8:58 PM


Unholy Crap!
Maybe we should wait till he adds his summary and Admin promotes it to a debatable topic.

The entertainment value would go up a bit. Though responses from MrID in the past don't bode so well for this time around either. We'll see.

I just hope no one is expecting anything other than amusement. I mean, no one round these parts and beyond is expecting any great revelation from this theater, are they?

Is there anyone within the sound of these electrons who has any hope of an actual revelation from MrID of such advanced majikal hidden knowledge?

Hey Peanut Gallery? Y'all in Lurkersville. Anyone believing any of this?

Honestly. Anyone?

Edited by AZPaul3, : title


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 55 of 95 (892591)
03-10-2022 9:36 PM
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03-10-2022 8:58 PM


Re: Holy Crap!
He also does not understand "falsify" and he does not understand science.

But none of that is surprising, based on his earlier attempts.

This is true, but every time I re-expose myself to his stuff it seems like a deeper level of bizarre, and my thought each time is Holy Crap! I guess that must be my most superlative exclamation.

And this whole weird repetitious phrase:

quote:
The basisof ToE is non-intentionaland non-intelligently-guidedchange and their synonyms.

All that to say unguided, but none of it is any part of the Theory of Evolution as it doesn't specify unguided or even refer to guidance.

And his replacement is grandiose plans but not a shred of substance. Based on his history nothing he says should surprise me but it still does.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 56 of 95 (892592)
03-10-2022 9:44 PM
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03-10-2022 9:25 PM


Re: Unholy Crap!
Is there anyone within the sound of these electrons who has any hope of an actual revelation from MrID of such advanced majikal hidden knowledge?

At this stage it's all just entertainment value. It's kind of like trying to explain why there are no new phyla showing up today to a creationist, funny but exhausting. And sad.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 57 of 95 (892603)
03-10-2022 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Tanypteryx
03-10-2022 12:58 PM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
Still hasn't said which journal published the article.

Vanity Press published it. IOW, self-published yet again, like in the 1972 song, naturally.

More importantly, which journals did he send it to? And by far much more important that that is whether any of those journals were ID publications which should be sympathetic to his position to start with (and yet still rejected his "article"). The icing on the cake would be for him to share the actual text of the rejection slips (which I doubt that he ever actually obtained, given that the entire submission/rejection evolution lasted for only four days -- 07 - 10 March 2022 -- as per his own reporting).

MrID writes:

(Part 1) Realistically, what is really the Theory of Evolution (ToE)?

Part 1 should demonstrate whether MrID knows what he's talking about.

That's the first part that I will read, since infamously no creationist has ever been able to demonstrate that he has any clue at all of how evolution works (nor how anything else works). I could only skim it briefly so far since I'm busy with other things (eg, I'm currently in the middle of an OLLI class).

What I've picked up so far from that first scan is that he equates evolution with change and then creates a dichotomy between guided and unguided change. And then it gets even more weird.

I found the beginning of his abstract to be oddly telling:

quote:
From the time of Bishop Samuel Wilberforce on 1860 AD to 2022 AD , many scientists had tried to falsify the Theory of Evolution (ToE) or Biological Evolution, but all of them had failed.

So from the very beginning he tells us that he doesn't understand how science works and especially not how falsification works. He claims that he's some genius civil engineer, so much of a genius that Japan recognized it, had him schooled in the Philippines, and then brought him to work for them in Japan. He never tested any of his designs in order to see whether it actually works? If we are ever in Japan, I would hope that they would tell us which bridges he had designed so that we can stay well away from them. Or his tunnels, etc.

Just for his (and lurkers') edification, one never proves a theory correct. Rather, we repeatedly try to disprove a theory and the theories that survive that ordeal are deemed to be keepers -- though even then we continue to try to disprove them. There is no such thing as a theory that gets protection from testing, just as in engineering there must be no such thing as a design that we protect from testing. Indeed, the Mark 14 Torpedo was such a case of breaking that basic engineering rule in that the testing that would have exposed its many problems wasn't conducted during its design because they were so expensive to manufacture. As a result, those many problems first showed up in combat and for the first two years of the war our torpedo kills were far too rare to be effective. We paid for that mistake many times.

Therefore, the failure of so many scientists to falsify the Theory of Evolution is testimony to the strength of the theory. That is a good thing, not a failing of science. If MrID knew anything about science, he would have realized that.

Towards the end of Part 4, he attacks abiogenesis and Big Bang Theory among other things things that likewise have nothing to do with evolution. Further evidence that he does not understand anything about evolution.

And Part 5 is just plain bizarre. To start with, he obtains two different probability ranges: one for evolution ranging from 0 to 1 (1 being dead certainty) and the other for his pipe dream ranging from 1.5 to 3. 3? Three times more certain than dead certainty? Since when did mathematics allow for such a thing? Instead of writing this crap in order to earn a Nobel Prize, he should just invent a perpetual motion machine and get one for Physics -- if he can violate mathematics so freely a perpetual motion machine should be easy.

And he goes on for page after page about "displaced parts". Graphically, he seems to be saying that evolution should result in ... looking at it, make a paper doll, cut off all the arms and legs and head (and maybe even cut the limbs in half) and then randomly reassemble it. Kind of looks like the results of a really bad transporter accident. No idea what the hell he's thinking!

Truly he is not even wrong because nothing that he says has any bearing on reality. It would make just as much sense and be just as productive if he would try to argue for situations where Thor's hammer, Mjölnir, could be lifted by one who is not worthy.


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Message 58 of 95 (892627)
03-11-2022 1:46 AM
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03-10-2022 6:23 PM


Re: Tangle's sig
thanks jar!

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

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Message 59 of 95 (892636)
03-11-2022 8:06 AM
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03-11-2022 1:46 AM


Re: Tangle's sig
Don't thank me.

It was the Google Translate Nano Chip implanted when I got my Covid-19 booster that did the heavy lifting.


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Message 60 of 95 (892653)
03-11-2022 12:45 PM
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Re: Tangle's sig
and now i see that Tangle went for plain English.

was yours Russian or Ukrainian? i guess i could check, but, ah well...


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