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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Russia's military has around 280,000 soldiers.
the majority of which are conscripts on 1 year contracts. They have no professional NCOs, they have very little institutional knowledge. The russian army is a large paper tiger as we've seen in Ukraine.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Conscription in Russia - Wikipedia
Explainer on Russian Conscription, Reserve, and Mobilization | Institute for the Study of War Russia admits conscripts have been fighting in Ukraine, despite Putin's previous denials | CNN What the use of Russian conscripts tells us about the war in Ukraine – POLITICO Ukraine update: What is an 'NCO,' and why does Russia's lack of them cause them so much trouble Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Since that makes no sense I conclude it it could not be true.
of course if it doesn't make sense to you it can't be true, way to sound like a creationist Percy
1 year is enough to provide basic training but not much else. I find it hard to believe that an effective army could be mostly soldiers with less than 1 year of service. An effective fighting force of mostly very green privates? Just doesn't sound possible.
well your problem is you're confusing quality with effectiveness. The russians have always favored quantity over quality. 30 disposable conscripts can be as effective as 1 highly trained soldier, you just need to be willing to throw them into the meat grinder. Ukraine update: Stink, stank, stunk. The Russian military has always been awful
Something in the 25% range makes a lot more sense to me, with moderately higher percentages in fighting units
I'll admit to hyperbole in my initial post. Still 25% is a large chunk, do you think any western military has 25% of it's force composed of soldiers who have have just barely learned the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground?It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I don't know what people with actual military experience would say, but it would be my guess that a unit consisting solely or mostly of conscripts would be useless under fire the first few times. sure, where do you think all those tanks the ukrainian farmers are harvesting are coming from? Do you think it is experienced troops who are simply walking away from their vehicles and leaving them for the U forces to capture?
Yes, Russia has had difficulty achieving its military goals in Ukraine, but that doesn't mean that their army is a bunch of inept bumblers. yes the 40 mile long traffic jam was a sign of a competent military.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
You could start by explaining the apparent contradiction that they're incompetent yet can reduce cities to rubble
because there is a metric fuck ton of them. Quantity has a quality all of it's own. A large idiot is still dangerous. I have no doubt they can turn Kyiv into the next Grozny/Dresden/Hiroshima and that they probably will.
move around pretty much at will inside an invaded country
they can't, they're mostly roadbound due to the Rasputitsa. There are still UKR SOF/TDF/partisans operating behind the lines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I09fBeM_g0E&ab_channel=Wa... another example of their lack of experience, what is this truck doing running around without any escort?
It is a deadly and effective fighting force. solely because of it's size, if you think the Russian army is full of elite stormtroopers operating bleeding edge equipment then you're wrong.
If too many Americans come to believe that the Russian military is a joke that the Ukraine can handle without assistance,
I've never said that the russians aren't dangerous.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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A comparision of the two militaries by a guy who knows what he's talking about.
I Commanded U.S. Army Europe. Here's What I Saw in the Russian and Ukrainian Armies. - The BulwarkIt's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Why isn't Ukraine a no-fly zone?
cause it would mean NATO forces killing russian personnel and attacking russian units inside russia. NATO does not want a war with russia. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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But why should uninvited Russian jets be permitted to fly over Ukraine and attack targets with impunity, while welcome NATO jets that could provide defense are excluded?
because NATO does not want a war with Russia.
I don't get this one. I grant that it would make turning Ukraine into a no-fly zone easier if we took out airbases and other airborne support resources in Russia, but why is that necessary?
to enforce the no-fly zone your aircraft need to be protected. If Russia parks a SAM system on their side of the border and targets aircraft in Ukrainian airspace that SAM system needs to be destroyed.
Then call it a peace mission.
as we've seen with Russia's "Special Military Operation" you can call it whatever the fuck you want it's still war. War never changes.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Why does NATO need to avoid a war with Russia?
cause war is bad.
Because we knew Russia was going to invade, before that happened we could have set up a no-fly zone over Ukraine. Then it would have been Russian planes coming into airspace occupied by American planes.
yes and it would have lead to american planes shooting down russian planes. We don't want NATO forces to kill russians. NATO does not want a war with russia.
The US has invested heavily in stealth technology.
stealth does not mean invincible.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Better to fight sooner rather than later, because putting it off only makes things worse.
discretion is the better part of valor, maybe we shouldn't rush headlong into global nuclear exchange.
Nothing in any military is invincible,
great so you agree that any SAM system that targeted a NATO aircraft enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine would need to be eliminated to ensure the safety of said aircraft, which leads to NATO Forces attacking russian units on russian soil.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Did you know that Soviet pilots flew against American pilots in the Korean war?
yes and there was Soviet "advisors" operating NVA SAM sights during Vietnam. You're talking about proxy wars, not straight up conflict between NATO and Russia.
You're not addressing the appeasement problem
you're not addressing the global nuclear war problem. I don't think we should just roll over and spread our ass cheeks for Russia like trump and his ilk would have us do. I also don't think we should just run towards open conflict with a nuclear armed adversary. This is not a black and white situation.
Why would you think that?
because you admitted that aircraft enforcing a no fly zone over Ukraine would be at risk of attack by russian SAMs. Threats need to be eliminated to ensure the no-fly zone can be enforced.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Looking at our planet from a larger lens, the conclusion about who is good and who is "bad" seems to get murkier at times. not in this case. The good guys are the ones who are defending their homes from the bad guys.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Who fired the missile is not known. Some reports say the missile is of Russian manufacture but do not say how they might know that
by looking at the remains of it. Of course both russia and Ukraine use russian built weapons.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
RUSSIA does not want the eastern provinces to be part of Russia
then they should fuck off out of them and let Ethnic russians there deal with Ukraine themselves.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2356 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Russia is involved ,Because Putin wants to reclaim the borders of the USSR. Go eat a potato Ivan. It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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