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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamrkNewAge writes:
It's not a pretense.
You can pretend you dislike the Tsars.... LamarkNewAge writes:
It's not a pretense.
... you can pretend you dislike Nazis.... LamarkNewAge writes:
And what does that have to do with "The War in Europe"? I suppose the African National Congress is "Tsarist"...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I see Putin as a gangster, an opportunist. It isn't about "seeing the future" at all. It's about tailoring the future to suit himself. ... I think that Putin sees the future better than the clowns at the Federal Reserve and global finance in general. Wishfull thinking, maybe: The other Russian gangsters will dislike how Putin's war is effecting their crimes and will do away with him."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamrkNewAge writes:
I asked you what any of that has to do with "The War in Europe". Just answer the question. No stupid ranting required. Theodoric... blah blah blah... consciousness."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I doubt that. He likes the attention but he doesn't like people constantly wanting him to do things.
Trump is itching to become a Western Leader again. Phat writes:
Well, you never tell us why these things might happen - i.e. you have no rationale for your fears. Try to think rationally.
And you guys dont think I am sane when I see either a secular armageddon or a sacred armageddon. Phat writes:
But that has never been His plan. Noah had to build his own ark.
Only God can help us. Phat writes:
I think he's itching to find a way out of the mess he's created. He can't show weakness because the other gangsters will stomp him but he can't "win" this war either, not in any real sense. ... I fear that Putin wont stop. My guess is that he'll pull the same trick as Trump and say, "Well, I accomplished what I wanted to do," (built a wall, made America great again, stopped the Nazis in Ukraine) and try to quietly fade away. (I'm waiting to see what monster raving looney our Canadian Conservative party chooses for its leader-of-the month. So far, it looks like a "race" between a Trump wannabe, a has-been and at least one never-was.)"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamarkNewAge writes:
Well, the Washington Post headline was: The subject is Ukraine's military, which very deliberately attacks civilians, and hates minorities.quote:Nothing about "Ukraine's military". And the article says:quote:PARAmilitary. Nothing to do with "Ukraine's military". "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Stop it. Most of us are NOT optimists. We just see human solutions as the only solutions there are.
Do you humanist optimists see any better solutions? Phat writes:
No. Isn't it you guys who like mandatory resolutions if they save the planet? In fact, mandatory solutions won't work because governments are afraid to rock the electoral boat. As always, our salvation is up to us, individually."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As far as I know, the guidelines don't forbid telling a fat man that he's fat or a bald man that he's bald. You best stop insulting me and challenging my intelligence. It is against Forum guidelines."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As a general rule, it's cheaper to trade than to fight a war. Isn't Putin likely to lose more oil/gas sales due to sanctions than he could possibly gain from Ukraine? I am convinced now that the primary reason for Putins land grab into Ukraine is the following: 1) Ukraine found evidence of large oil and natural gas reserves within their territory. The former president, Petro Poroshenko, was pro Russian.2)Zelinski sided more with the West and Putin could not risk losing the warm water port and the additional Natural Gas reserves (and oil). You could argue that he's irrational but then why would you suggest rational reasons for what he does?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's what I'm doing. It's the warmongers who are thinking short-range.
Think long-range, ringo. Phat writes:
Oh, thaaaat's what you call "long-range"? That's conceivably within my lifetime. I was thinking a couple of generations beyond that, say a hundred years.
Think next 30 years. Phat writes:
Yeah, they've been saying that for sixty years. Oil and gas will become rare and expensive. But that isn't the problem. The problem is that we need to use less of it. So who knows how using less and having less will balance out?
Phat writes:
Why?
Let us go to a Marxist source! Phat writes:
Stop it. I have TOLD you more than once that I am NOT a Marxist. I figured you would like the propaganda from the comrades! YOU are more of a Marxist than I am. YOU are the one who talks about "class struggle".
Phat writes:
Did you read my post at all? I didn't say one word about the U.S. Why must they pick on the US? Here's the entire post:quote: Respond to the post, not to the fantasies in your head."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I never have. Do you read my posts at all? Seriously, take notes if you have to but stop attributing to me what you pull out of your ass.
Just don't get idealistic and imagine a one-world-government. Phat writes:
Don't be silly. The U.S. will never have veto power over anything.
It won't work if the *U.S.* doesn't have a primary say and veto power within it. Phat writes:
Right now, your authoritarians - and that includes you - are the most dangerous (human) force on earth. Next to them, Putin is a saint.
Granted we need to keep our own authoritarians in check. Phat writes:
We learned a long time ago that your predictions are worthless. China will be the new global boss by 2030..."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Four other nations have the same power, so I wouldn't call it an actual veto. And it's part of what prevents the UN from getting anything done. We have veto power in the UN Security Council."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Are you kidding? Have you ever heard of Donald Trump? You guys are a few thousand votes from having him as President for Life. And his Republican henchmen are bending over backwards to make it happen.
And what makes these domestic (im assuming) authoritarians so dangerous? Phat writes:
Stop listening to the voices in your head. I have never advocated that.
Is it because we won't let you print money for social programs? Phat writes:
Helping the poor would do a lot more to preserve the value of the dollar. More taxpayers.
... we are simply trying to preserve the value of the dollar... Phat writes:
That's just stupid. Globalism is a fact. With the present state of communications and transportation, there's no avoiding it.
We resist globalism. Phat writes:
That's your favorite bumper sticker. It's just as worthless as your predictions. ringo writes:
The jury is still out. We learned a long time ago that your predictions are worthless. You're like Jeb Bush saying, "George is ahead! Stop counting!" Or Donald Trump saying, "I'm ahead! Stop counting!" Luckily for the real world, you don't dictate the time line. When all of the votes are counted, the elction is over. When the jury is in, it's in.
Phat writes:
If I read the same crap that you do, I might reach the same crappy conclusions. If you dont think China will be the dominant nation on earth by 2030, you have a lot of reading to do. You should try less reading and more thinking."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
In 1901, Rudyard Kipling published a book called Kim about a British spy dealing with Russian spies in Afghanistan who were trying to gain access to the Indian Ocean. Im telling you Russia wants control of the sea and the resources. That's 1901. Nineteen-oh-one. Congratulations on figuring it out more than a century after it became common knowledge. Russians don't change, whether they're Tsarists or Bolsheviks or gangsters."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If you read my posts, you'd know what I have to say - and you'd quit saying silly things like calling me a Marxist or saying I'm trying to escape responsibility or saying I have faith in humanism to solve all our problems or countless other silly things that I've told you are false.
Do you and jar have anything of worth to say besides accusations? Phat writes:
There's no need for you to be careful - even if there was anything you could do about it. It ain't gonna happen. The Age of Empires is over. The Russian Empire is fragmented, despite Putin's efforts to duct-tape it back together, and the American Empire is in steep decline. The made-up "nations" of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia have split up. There are separatist movements in many nations. Even international organizations such as the UNH are struggling to hold together. I just want us to be careful about a one-world globalist government. Look to a future of more governments, not one government.
Phat writes:
And nobody is saying it will - which is why nobody is advocating it. It's just your right-wing fantasy bogeyman.
It won't be to our advantage! Phat writes:
The pesky nation is yours. The pesky nations will all want some sort of equality which we will be forced to pay for. Years ago, I heard somebody explain the difference between Democrats and Republicans: Democrats think everybody in the world wants to be an American. Republicans want to make everybody in the world an American. You do want one world government - but you want that government to be yours.
Phat writes:
See above.
The bottom line is that a one-world government will likely end up as the culmination of evil. Phat writes:
Do you know what the slogan of the Nazi Party was?
Everyone has been warned but fails to see it due to their hatred of right-wing authoritarians. Wake up. Deutschland erwache! Which translates as "Germany, awake!" Look at the company you're keeping. We need more fear and loathing of right-wing authoritarians, not less. ABE:I wrote this before reading jar's Message 543 below yours, so any similarities are coincidental - independent minds drawing similar conclusions. Edited by ringo, : No reason given."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Used to be called "crossing the Yalu." More recently, "a line in the sand." ... then determine if going farther is militarily and politically necessary."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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