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Message 115 of 1104 (892298)
03-04-2022 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Theodoric
03-04-2022 10:23 PM


Re: Troll
Fascist troll.
The man has genuine fascist credentials.
Go to South Africa and tell them Russia was just using WHATABOUTISM when is refused to have an embassy in Apartheid South Africa.
Tell them Nelson Mandela & the ANC were just puppets that were victims of "Russian disinformation"
You can do it Theo!

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Message 117 of 1104 (892300)
03-04-2022 11:05 PM
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03-04-2022 10:51 PM


I am about to show that 4.25 billion people live in countries that opposed Western de
Only about 3.6 billion live in countries that supported resolution demanding Russian withdraw.
So keep making jokes that only amuse your fellow (outnumbered) fascists.

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Message 122 of 1104 (892305)
03-05-2022 12:39 AM
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03-04-2022 11:28 PM


Re: I am about to show that 4.25 billion people live in countries that opposed Western de
And about 50 of the 141 have less than a million people. They fear the big powers. Many nations have no navy, and are tiny islands with big western carriers surrounding them.
The 141 number only proves that westerners invite themselves into basing whetever they want, and fearful locals have no choice but to salute.
But you like to bully. That is obvious.
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Message 123 of 1104 (892306)
03-05-2022 12:41 AM


I decided that I will show the population for the 141 "supporting" nations also.
Not just the 40 opposing nations.
Fascists need some perspective

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Message 127 of 1104 (892315)
03-05-2022 12:59 PM
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03-05-2022 1:42 AM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
You have over 4.1 billion people who have governments that refused to demand Russian withdraw, absent negotiations.
Tiny Belarus was the only country that is recognized as unquestionably "white".
That is a nation of 6 million, I believe.
Central Asian nations, around Iran (like tiny Armenia), are the next closest thing you might get, when it comes to "white" nations supporting Russia (or opposing the swift pullout demand).
The 3.6 billion people who live in nations that supported the demand are mostly white.
Get a clue, PaulK.
*And I said the Chinese voted against your white supremacist world policies.
(As you know, but lie about)

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Message 129 of 1104 (892317)
03-05-2022 2:52 PM
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03-05-2022 1:17 PM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
When has post-Tzarist Russia EVER had an ideological underpinning, which WAS NOT built around providing worldwide support (if invited, and without imposing anything on any nation) support for oppressed peoples, who suffered colonialism and discrimination?
This is not just about the Soviet period.
I am talking about BOTH the Soviet period & post-Soviet period.
I still see the exact same alignment. The biggest difference is that Russia is seen in a much better light, by Sunni Muslim nations, and has seen support almost totally erode in white European nations (plus USA, Canada, Australia, Chile, Argentina, etc. Though these were enemies then too, but eith pockets of support)
Now, instead of just having India as a close ally, you see Sunni Bangladesh & Pakistan siding against the imperialists.
China sees today's Russia as the one opposing imperialism.
Sri Lanka, India, China, Pakistan, and Bangladesh ALL on the same side should tell you something.
Iran, Iraq, and Syria all on the same side should tell you something.
Dont forget the central Asian nations!
Even the Gulf states surely have their consciences tugging on them. They are clearly seeing Rusdia standing up for anti-racist values. The UAE was close to opposing the resolution.
The United Arab Emirates!
Get a clue, PaulK.

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Message 132 of 1104 (892321)
03-05-2022 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
03-05-2022 3:10 PM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
Wow, you are ignorant of Finland.
Remember the Neo Nazi Ludwig Borga?
(A massive bully, who could deadlift 989 pounds)
He came to the United States, in 1993, to complain about the poverty in Detroit.
He was an environmentalist.
He was a socialist.
He was also an anti-immigration bigot.
Finland was forced to take a neutral stance, during ths Cold War.
No Nazi crap then, or fairly little.
Then the Soviet Union fell ...
The Ludwig Borga's attempted to get an anti-immigration socialism moving again.
The Soviets opposed anti-immigration "socialism". They opposed those who supported nationalistic socialism.
(Putin has softened on the anti-nationalistic approach, and I suspect that is what is enabling the Gulf states to not be so antagonistic towards him)

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Message 144 of 1104 (892347)
03-05-2022 8:55 PM
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03-05-2022 3:52 PM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
There was a Treaty of Tartu signed in 1920 between Finland and Russia.
There were uprisings in Karelia, which was a western region of Russia, since the 1700s. It had mostly ethnic Finns, as a population demographic.
Finland was invading Russia, during World War 1, expecting a victorious Germany to help them take Karelia.
It did not work out and Red Russia offered the Treaty of Tartu, defining borders, and requiring Finland to agree to stop trying to take Karelia. 1920 ratification.
But Finland pulled a stunt. In Finland, the 1921-1922 Finnish-Soviet Uprisings are called the East Karelian Uprisings.
Finland allowed members of its military to cross the border to Russian sovereign territories in Karelia. Finland allowed anybody to cross and join rebels. Finland is recognized, by historically confirmed policy, to have sent "humanitarian aid" to help the war effort. The Finnish government.
Once the rebellion was defeated, in 1922, a new treaty was signed.
Then, in the 1930s, Nazi Germany & Russia fought - through proxies- endless civil wars, before the shocking treaty between Hitler & Stalin. But Finnish designs to invade Russia & establish a Greater Finland were alive & well, and Finns looked forward to the inevitable war between Germany and Russia. Finns were ready to use Germany to take East Karelia.
Stalin knew it.
So provide the context, PaulK.
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Message 145 of 1104 (892348)
03-05-2022 9:01 PM
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03-05-2022 4:41 PM


You wish the Tsars were still in power.
Does anybody doubt that?
Honestly, AzPaul would love for the Tsars to be in power.
Who can deny that?

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Message 148 of 1104 (892352)
03-05-2022 9:42 PM
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03-05-2022 9:16 PM


Re: You wish the Tsars were still in power.
You also told us that Republicans loved Putin.
The evidence showed you were a flat out liar.
You were proven wrong, but kept on telling the same lies.

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Message 153 of 1104 (892359)
03-06-2022 10:00 AM
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03-06-2022 2:21 AM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
Your bullshit was irrelevant. Finland outlawed democratic Communist parties in 1930. Peaceful Communists were murdered.
Even that is almost irrelevant.
But historians admit Finland gave Russia concern by:
In 1937, a Nazi German submarine flotilla was invited to Helsinki, with a heroic receptipn, when it arrived.
In April 1938 the Finnish government celebrated the 20th anniversary of entry by German troops into World War 1 Helsinki.
In May 1938 the rntry of Mannerheim's forces into Poland was celebrated.
In June 1939, German army Chief of Staff, General Franze Halder was invited & warmly received by Helsinki. The General was brought to observe the Finnish army practice maneuvers at the Karelian Isthmus.
* And Finland admitted the 1941 Continuation War was to take Russian territory, not to defend themselves. Russia attempted to avoid the previous 1939 war as well.
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Message 155 of 1104 (892361)
03-06-2022 10:54 AM
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03-06-2022 10:36 AM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
Finland had lots of fascists, Nazi-supporters, the the context, to the 1939 Winter War, is something you will gladly dismiss.
Finland was spending the first half of the 20th century trying to figure out a way to invade Russia.
Stalin stopped it cold.
And Hitler's genuine alliance with his friend Finland only backfired on fascists.
Finland was NEUTRAL all during the Cold War, and the genuine neutrality enabled peace and prosperity.
(Finland had a state-policy to always vote the Russian position at the UN, and the West knew it. Finland was never harassed or infiltrated with bellicose Western agents.)
And the world OPPOSED DEMANDING Russian troops to leave Ukraine.For the sake of peace. The West never cease it war-mongering schemes. Russia is fighting for peace.
Facsists like you speak with a forked tongue. I can decipher the language, however.
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Message 159 of 1104 (892367)
03-06-2022 1:02 PM
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03-06-2022 11:24 AM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
Russia found itself in posession of East Karelia around 1700.
The situation had more to do with the Swedes and Finns fighting, than anything else.
The Greater Finland concept was a relatively new Finnish nationalism concept, in the period around World War 1.
There were Red Finns who opposed nationalists.
You are arguing for a nationalism that overturned 200 years of stable borders.
You are arguing for a fascist-alligned invasion of a sovereign nation (Russia), which was generous to Finland.
You are an outright Fascist ( I almost feel it is fair to throw in the 4 letter *N-word, because Germany was the actual ally).

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Message 160 of 1104 (892368)
03-06-2022 1:12 PM
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03-05-2022 4:09 PM


Re: Who Trusts The News?
I actually have talked about the Polish double-standard for about 10 years, including my early posts here.
I had a conversation with a (ethnic Puerto Rican) friend in New York, in 2014, and he has family in Sweeden. He read a large (10 pages) Economist article about the Polish economic growth, post-EU. It was my magazine, so when he returned it, he could not stop talking about Poland. We talked about how poor Ukraine was, and issues that would keep it from joining the EU.
I said the U.K. was the biggest obstacle.
Immigration came up.
I pointed out the irony, in that these eastern-European nations are fairly nationalistic & anti-immigration, but they are happy to be able to cross borders themselves.
I pointed that irony out HERE on EvC as well. I remember doing so, at least once. Early after I started posting here.
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Message 162 of 1104 (892370)
03-06-2022 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by PaulK
03-06-2022 1:29 PM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
You cant stop lying, can you?
I said Russia has border concerns, due to suffering 2 catastrophic invasions from the west, in the 20th century.
I said Russia had a major problem with nationalists and fascists, trying to invade them.
I drew a very clear distinction between Russia's border problems and the support for oppressed people around the globe.
It is true, however, that even the border situation defense often results in better lives for the border nations involved.
I can never keep up with your disingenuous & endless misrepresentations. You twist everything, and onlookers will be confused, for sure.
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