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Message 464 of 995 (893028)
03-23-2022 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by Phat
03-23-2022 3:01 AM


Re: The Roots Of Economic War
When Communism initially fell in 1990, it was partially because the United States simply and decisively outspent the Eastern Bloc. Ironically, the reverse will now happen. The Russian attempts at changing the global order will involve allowing the West to outspend them. The house of cards needs but a puff of hot air.
You seem to think that when money is spent it vanishes like it was burned. While I don't think weapons are a good thing to spend money on, I do realize that it flows through an economy just as if it was spent on all the other things we spend money on. It didn't vanish in a puff of smoke.
On the other hand, Soviet Russia spent their money on crappy weapons made by conmen enriching themselves and hiding their ill-gotten gains outside of the Russian economy. Meanwhile, the supply lines of food and all the other commodities the Russian people needed just to survive, completely failed, and inevitably so did the Soviet Union and their satellites.
The Russian attempts at changing the global order will involve allowing the West to outspend them. The house of cards needs but a puff of hot air.
Allowing the west to outspend them? The military-industrial complex is the biggest part of our economy, and has been for decades. We spend almost a TRILLION DOLLARS ON IT A YEAR, every fucking year!
The house of cards is the Russian economy, but lets hope the puff of hot air is not from nuclear weapons.
And just to be clear, your articles are total bullshit!

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Message 466 of 995 (893030)
03-23-2022 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by AZPaul3
03-23-2022 1:28 PM


Re: The Roots Of Economic War
I know of one instance where NASA took $$10billion and put it on a rocket and parked it out at the L2 Lagrange point on a special space pallet they special built for it.
Holy Crap! And they coated some of the important parts with GOLD!!
A really bad missed opportunity.
Gosh, and the people those NASA people bought their stuff from could have used that money to feed their kids, and educate and clothe and medicate their kids, and...
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The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 504 of 995 (893128)
03-27-2022 6:43 PM


1,300 Wagner mercenaries sent from Libya to help Russian forces in Ukraine
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Some 1,300 mercenaries of the Russian private contractor Wagner Group have been moved from Libya to Ukraine to fight alongside Russian forces, according to a Libyan security analyst.
“There were 2,200 Wagner militants in Libya. Russia has withdrawn 1,300 and left just 900 here,” Adel Abdel-Kafi, a military and security expert, told Anadolu Agency.
He said Wagner paramilitaries were removed from their posts along a highway linking the areas of Sirte and Jafra in central Libya.
Abdel-Kafi said the Wagner Group is increasingly relying on fighters from African nations and continues to recruit people from Mali, Chad and Sudan.
The Wagner Group has been in Libya since October 2018 to support the forces of warlord Khalifa Haftar, who has been fighting Libya’s legitimate government for control of the North African country, according to the UN.
This is not the first claim about Wagner involvement in Russia’s war on Ukraine, which started on Feb. 24 and has now entered its second month.
Just days after the war began, Ihor Ostash, Ukraine’s ambassador to Lebanon, accused Russia of sending 400 Wagner mercenaries to Kyiv to assassinate political leaders and other top officials.
The group has also been targeted in the raft of sanctions imposed on Russia by Western countries.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 515 of 995 (893144)
03-28-2022 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 514 by Theodoric
03-28-2022 3:54 PM


Re: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
You are incapable of seeing past your next purchase of something.
While pretending that it's not gambling.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 529 of 995 (893159)
03-29-2022 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Phat
03-29-2022 3:33 PM


Re: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
phat writes:
Theodoric writes:
Why should the US be in charge?
Who do you suggest be in charge?
Thinking about your global government, the people should be in charge. Each individual has the right to vote and a constitution lays out how the government is organized and includes a list of citizen rights that the majority cannot override.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 532 of 995 (893162)
03-29-2022 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by Phat
03-29-2022 3:43 PM


Re: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
phat writes:
ringo writes:
Right now, your authoritarians - and that includes you - are the most dangerous (human) force on earth. Next to them, Putin is a saint.
Interesting. And what makes these domestic (im assuming) authoritarians so dangerous?
Authoritarians think they can break any law, commit any crime, against individuals or humanity with impunity. You don't think that's dangerous?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 548 of 995 (893188)
03-31-2022 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 542 by Phat
03-30-2022 5:38 PM


Re: ARe: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
I just want us to be careful about a one-world globalist government.
I just looked up "globalist" and found a variety of definitions.
I'm curious how you define globalist and what you mean by one-world globalist government?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 571 of 995 (893239)
04-02-2022 11:56 AM


Why?
Why the fuck are you guys arguing about this inane bullshit?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 576 of 995 (893244)
04-02-2022 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 574 by xongsmith
04-02-2022 12:10 PM


Re: Why?
Yeah, I get it. I just hate seeing people I respect engaging in pointless squabbles...
And I am sorry I got dragged into this mud-slinging....

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 580 of 995 (893253)
04-02-2022 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 579 by Tangle
04-02-2022 1:18 PM


I can't access your New York times link, but where are they getting Russian made tanks? Russian tanks look like they are crap. It seems like, sooner or later the Ukrainians are going to ask why we sent them crap instead of stuff that works.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 583 of 995 (893256)
04-02-2022 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 582 by Tangle
04-02-2022 1:52 PM


Thanks.
NYT says I have to pay, but I hardly ever pay for subscriptions after the freebies.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 588 of 995 (893265)
04-02-2022 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 585 by Percy
04-02-2022 2:16 PM


Re: Why?
This subthread isn't an issue of national importance, it's just a bulletin board discussion, but the principle still holds.
OK, but standing off to the side watching, you guys all seem to agree on all the principals at play here regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Except how NATO will respond to an attack against a member state. NATO has never fought a war with the Soviet Union or Russia and after the Trump anomaly many wonder if the US, NATO's strongest member, can be counted on to help protect Europe, or if any members will risk nuclear annihilation...
After dozens of posts in this subthread, there does not seem to be a better understanding of what any of you are saying. There just seems to be increasing acrimony. Maybe it's time to give it a rest...
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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 593 of 995 (893296)
04-03-2022 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 591 by xongsmith
04-03-2022 1:32 AM


Re: Why?
Well, I would hope that the US and all of NATO would be united in defending Ukraine here, even if they are not an official NATO member yet, same as if they were Estonia or even Poland.
I hope so too. I was stunned by Trump's pro Putin anti-NATO bullshit.
A problem would be how to counter the lies Putin has been telling his people via his news media. It is difficult to convince people they've been lied to. That is another reason for using language carefully here or anywhere.
Propaganda endangers all of us. It has rotted the brains of 75+ million Americans.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 605 of 995 (893318)
04-04-2022 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 603 by AZPaul3
04-04-2022 12:08 PM


Re: War Daily
There is more stupid coming into the spotlight.
Stupid, the true wealth of America.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 615 of 995 (893358)
04-07-2022 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 614 by AnswersInGenitals
04-07-2022 5:39 PM


Re: What if Eleanor Roosevelt ...
What if Putin hits one of those NATO troop occupied ground operations centers with a small (~1 kiloton, ~0.25 mile radius destruction) tactical nuclear weapon?
I thinks all variations of that scenario are being imagined at the top level of NATO and all the member nations right now. That's why we have not seen U.S. or NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine yet.
We're trying to anticipate the behavior of a psychopath and as we saw with Trump, that is not possible. We want the use of nukes to be a line in the sand, but we're afraid to yell it out loud.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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