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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Finland was supporting locals attempting to break away from the Bolshevist regime - helping an oppressed minority. Indeed, there had already been votes to secede in parts of the region.
quote: So Finland helped the locals rebel against an oppressive regime. In 1933-35 the Soviet oppression in East Karelia increased, with local autonomy removed, Finnish leaders purged and the teaching of the Finnish language forbidden.
quote: How does this show that the Russians had any interest in helping an oppressed minority rather than the continuation of their own oppression in Karelia? And how does this even justify the Russian demands against Finland followed by an invasion? And let us not forget the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact - the Soviets had their own agreements with the Nazis.
quote: Glad to! As you see it further demolishes your claim. But you knew that - that’s why you aren’t even trying to support it. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Since the only evidence of that is your say-so, then everyone with any sense will conclude that this is just another of your stupid lies.
quote: I can. It probably means that you wish the Tsars were still in power.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Your bullshit was irrelevant. Finland outlawed democratic Communist parties in 1930. Peaceful Communists were murdered.
Even that is almost irrelevant. But historians admit Finland gave Russia concern by: In 1937, a Nazi German submarine flotilla was invited to Helsinki, with a heroic receptipn, when it arrived. In April 1938 the Finnish government celebrated the 20th anniversary of entry by German troops into World War 1 Helsinki. In May 1938 the rntry of Mannerheim's forces into Poland was celebrated. In June 1939, German army Chief of Staff, General Franze Halder was invited & warmly received by Helsinki. The General was brought to observe the Finnish army practice maneuvers at the Karelian Isthmus. * And Finland admitted the 1941 Continuation War was to take Russian territory, not to defend themselves. Russia attempted to avoid the previous 1939 war as well. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: That’s rich from someone who attempted to claim that the Russian invasion was justified because a neo-Nazi wrestler came from Finland to the US in 1993.
quote: Missing some context there like the fact that those “democratic” communists had belonged to a party that tried to violently overthrow the Finnish government in 1919, leading to a civil war. The rest is even more unimportant - and far less relevant to the fact that it is the Soviets who were the imperialist and colonialists in this conflict.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Finland had lots of fascists, Nazi-supporters, the the context, to the 1939 Winter War, is something you will gladly dismiss.
Finland was spending the first half of the 20th century trying to figure out a way to invade Russia. Stalin stopped it cold. And Hitler's genuine alliance with his friend Finland only backfired on fascists. Finland was NEUTRAL all during the Cold War, and the genuine neutrality enabled peace and prosperity. (Finland had a state-policy to always vote the Russian position at the UN, and the West knew it. Finland was never harassed or infiltrated with bellicose Western agents.) And the world OPPOSED DEMANDING Russian troops to leave Ukraine.For the sake of peace. The West never cease it war-mongering schemes. Russia is fighting for peace. Facsists like you speak with a forked tongue. I can decipher the language, however. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Lots of places did. It still doesn’t support your point, nor does it change the fact that the Soviets were the imperialists and colonialists in this conflict. You are the one “gladly dismissing” the facts.
quote: By which you mean to liberate East Karelia from the imperialist colonialist oppressors.
quote: “War is Peace”. Very Orwellian.
quote: What schemes are those. Not appeasing Putin so that he has to fight a war for territorial expansion?
quote: By which you mean “surrender to the imperialists or they’ll declare war and it’s all your fault.” You probably love the use of cluster bombs against civilians,
quote: I’m not the fascist here. And you certainly speak with a forked tongue. Indeed “decipher the language” us code for “tell vicious lies” as you have been caught doing on multiple occasions. Go take you your white imperialist colonialist lies to somewhere they’ll be more appreciated.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Finland was spending the first half of the 20th century trying to figure out a way to invade Russia. More delusional bullshit. None of this fake history has crapolla to do with Putin's invasion of Ukraine. It warms my heart that your hero, that murderous tyrant Putin, lives every day in fear of assassination. Sooner or later he will taste his own poison, while your brain continues to rot.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Troll. At least LNA is not trying to charge us for his translations from the original Russian, ну?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Russia found itself in posession of East Karelia around 1700.
The situation had more to do with the Swedes and Finns fighting, than anything else. The Greater Finland concept was a relatively new Finnish nationalism concept, in the period around World War 1. There were Red Finns who opposed nationalists. You are arguing for a nationalism that overturned 200 years of stable borders. You are arguing for a fascist-alligned invasion of a sovereign nation (Russia), which was generous to Finland. You are an outright Fascist ( I almost feel it is fair to throw in the 4 letter *N-word, because Germany was the actual ally).
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I actually have talked about the Polish double-standard for about 10 years, including my early posts here.
I had a conversation with a (ethnic Puerto Rican) friend in New York, in 2014, and he has family in Sweeden. He read a large (10 pages) Economist article about the Polish economic growth, post-EU. It was my magazine, so when he returned it, he could not stop talking about Poland. We talked about how poor Ukraine was, and issues that would keep it from joining the EU. I said the U.K. was the biggest obstacle. Immigration came up. I pointed out the irony, in that these eastern-European nations are fairly nationalistic & anti-immigration, but they are happy to be able to cross borders themselves. I pointed that irony out HERE on EvC as well. I remember doing so, at least once. Early after I started posting here. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: More to do with the Swedes and Russians fighting over Finland. Finland was not an independent state at that time. And indeed, Finland was subject to the Russian Empire after that.
quote: Because boundaries established by imperialists are sacred? Really?
quote: Those would be the violent revolutionaries who fled to Russia after they lost the civil war they started.
quote: Stable borders? With Finland changing hands between Russia and Sweden ? With the border changes in 1917? (ABE) And if you’re talking about the Continuation War that was about recovering land taken by Russia in the Winter War.
quote: No, you’re the one arguing FOR invasion, remember ? You’re supposed to be showing that the Soviet invasion of Finland in the Winter War was about “support for oppressed people who suffered colonialism and discrimination”. So far the only “oppressed people who suffered colonialism and discrimination” we’ve discussed have been the people of East Karelia under the Soviets.
quote: Then why are you the one defending imperialism and colonialism? Oh right it’s because “fascists speak with forked tongues”. You do that a lot. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
You cant stop lying, can you?
I said Russia has border concerns, due to suffering 2 catastrophic invasions from the west, in the 20th century. I said Russia had a major problem with nationalists and fascists, trying to invade them. I drew a very clear distinction between Russia's border problems and the support for oppressed people around the globe. It is true, however, that even the border situation defense often results in better lives for the border nations involved. I can never keep up with your disingenuous & endless misrepresentations. You twist everything, and onlookers will be confused, for sure. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
WTF does the fact this friend is Puerto Rican have to do with anything?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I loaned him an Economist magazine, and his brother has a Sweedish wife.
Sweeden is a non-fascist EU member. NOT A MEMBER OF NATO! I did not mention the Polish article, which mentioned the poverty of Ukraine. But when he returned the issue, he only talked about an article that I fid not even mention. We talked alot about the EU and NATO, previously, though. Finland was discussed.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I will make it simple:
My American friend has spent months living in Sweeden, and his brother lives there.
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