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PaulK
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Message 811 of 818 (894317)
05-12-2022 4:04 AM


Finnish leadership calls for NATO membership
Finland's president and prime minister have called for the country to apply for Nato membership "without delay".
BBC
The final decision is not due until Sunday, but this is a significant pointer

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Message 812 of 818 (894339)
05-12-2022 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 798 by Tangle
05-04-2022 8:39 AM


One of the big losers of Russia's militarily campaign in the Ursine is China. They suddenly see on just how effective sanctions can be in the modern world. China is more vulnerable to world wide sanctions, because they need energy and food more than Russia does. Mind you, russia is going to be going through reverse individualization if this war continues past the end of the year, as parts to the manufacturing plants wear out, and their stock pile of spare parts get depleted

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Message 813 of 818 (894344)
05-13-2022 7:27 AM


How Effective Are Sanctions Really?
Briefly, my position on sanctions is that they're like beating a country with a pillow where the pillow gets weaker with time. Sanctions are never 100%, not even close. (Are they even 20%?) We hear reports daily of countries considering another round of sanctions on Russia, which would only be possible if significant sanction options remained on the table. And then there's that the target country finds alternative trading partners. Some European countries are pledging to stop purchasing Russian fossil fuels by the end of the summer. Anyone want to lay money that'll happen?
Here's a report from the NYT about how active Russian shipping is: Russian Shipping Traffic Remains Strong as Sanctions Take Time to Bite
--Percy

  
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Message 814 of 818 (894346)
05-13-2022 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 811 by PaulK
05-12-2022 4:04 AM


Re: Finnish leadership calls for NATO membership
Turkey is going to veto it.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 815 of 818 (894379)
05-14-2022 7:41 AM
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05-13-2022 10:08 AM


Re: Finnish leadership calls for NATO membership
Theodoric writes:
Turkey is going to veto it.
I wonder if there's a process for removing a country from NATO.
--Percy

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PaulK
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Message 816 of 818 (894405)
05-15-2022 12:23 PM
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05-12-2022 4:04 AM


Re: Finnish leadership calls for NATO membership
Finland is applying to join NATO and Sweden has decided to follow suit.
This is another blow for Putin, although a predictable one. With an aggressive neighbour joining a defensive alliance is obviously a good idea. And threats from that neighbour are at least as much an incentive as a deterrent.

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AZPaul3
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Message 817 of 818 (894525)
05-18-2022 9:35 PM


NATO (USofA) Moves In Sweden
Smart move. Individual military alliances until the bureaucrats get their thing together.
The Pentagon has offered Sweden security measures as its NATO application is pending, a Swedish minister says.
Quick action now puts even more world political pressure (let alone military) on Tzar Vladimir the Condemned.
Putin has just been shown the finger ... wrapped in armor.

Edited by AZPaul3, : title


Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 818 of 818 (894533)
05-19-2022 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 817 by AZPaul3
05-18-2022 9:35 PM


Re: NATO (USofA) Moves In Sweden
AZPaul3 writes:
Putin has just been shown the finger ... wrapped in armor.
An iron curtain is descending around Putin.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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