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Message 5 of 257 (893462)
04-14-2022 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by dwise1
03-08-2022 3:18 PM


The age of the earth/universe has nothing to do with whether God exists or not.
I know that the e/u is more than 6000 years old.
I know this because the Bible clearly states this.

Genesis describes a renewing of earth which, along
with the rest of the solar system, had been severely
damaged, as a result of Satan's rebellion.

When examining the creation account one must place
himself on earth, looking up/out, instead of from space
looking down.

The Genesis account is about God readying earth for
the creation of man.

For example, when God said "Let there be light" a person
on the surface of the earth would have seen light from
the sun, which had been shrouded in debris from the war.

The light would be translucent, and not transparent, because
of the thick water vapor in the atmosphere-much like Venus.

Later, God would remove the water vapor and the sun and
moon would be clearly discernable.

Also, on day one God would have adjusted earth's rotation,
which would have given us both evening and morning.

I can clearly show that the Bible proves my assertion.

The Bible is also clear in that 6000 years ago man;
all animals; and, all plant life were created.

Even though the universe is much older than 6000 years,
scientists can only make guesstimates of its size.

Scientists calculate stars up to 400 light years away by
triangulation. For example, they view a star from the earth
and six months later, when the earth is on the far side of
the sun, they triangulate the distance.

Triangulating a star from just 100 light years ( 6,000,000,000,000,000
miles distant) is equivalent to triangulating a point in
Chicago from two points in Miami, with the two points
in Miami being just eighteen inches apart.

There is overwhelming evidence that dinosaurs existed alongside man.

This evidence includes recorded sightings by reputable
persons; by cave drawings; by pottery reliefs/paintings;
by soft tissue in dinosaur fossils; by Job's description
of them; etc.


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Message 12 of 257 (893497)
04-15-2022 10:25 AM
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04-14-2022 11:14 AM


Dr. Mary Schweitzer placed tissue from an ostrich into
an iron rich solution and stored it at a steady temperature
for 730 days.

She says that the tissue showed very little degradation
At the end of two years.

This experiment, she asserts, proves that iron mixed with
hemoglobin at death would allow soft tissue to be
present in 75,000,000 year old fossils.

Is she stupid?

A 730 days controlled environment (when scientists
want to preserve a specimen they always employ a
controlled environment) vs. 27,375,000,000 days of
extreme tempature conditions and with fossils
oftentimes in and out of water.

Also, C-14 has a half-life of roughly 5700 years.
And, being generous to a fault, there should be no
detectable C-14 in a fossils after 100,000 years.
(actually 50,000 years, but remember, I am being
generous to a fault).

Science allows for only one possibility.

It is misguided scientists who grasp at straws
in order to preserve their paradigm.

It is not creationists vs. Science.
It is scientists vs. science.

Dino fossils contain significant amounts of C-14.


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Message 16 of 257 (893527)
04-15-2022 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by AZPaul3
04-14-2022 12:01 PM


Re: No Light-Time Problem
AZPaul3, l know that a supremely intelligent
Being created me.

You believe that your distant family members
consists of chimps; apes; and, orangutans.

You accept that your earliest ancestors were
amoeba.

Trust me! If you think that this speaks well of
you, then you are the delusional one.


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Message 18 of 257 (893529)
04-15-2022 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by PaulK
04-14-2022 1:18 PM


Paulk, let's see if you are capable of understanding
Genesis 1;2. It is so simple that a seven year old,
near the end of the second grade, should have no
difficulty with it.

Here it is:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness was upon the face of the deep..."

The verb "was" is from hayah (#1961 Strong's
Concordance). Hayah means to be, or become
to pass.

The word "form" is from Tohuw (#8414 Strong's).
Tohow means to lie waste or desolate.

"Void" is from Bohuw (#922). Bohuw translates
to "an undistinguishable ruin."

By no stretch of the imagination do these words
describe an originally creation.

Job 38:1-7 states that the angels shouted for joy
after the original creation of the earth.

What sane person believes that the angels shouted
for joy over a desolate and ruined earth.

Isaiah 45:18 "...God Himself that formed the earth
and made it; He has established it, He created it
not in vain (#8414 Tohuw-desolate wasteland).
He formed it to be inhabited.

Psalms 104:30 "Thou Sendest forth thy spirit
(Gen. 1:2 "And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face of the waters), they are created: and thou
renewed the face of the earth.

How is it even possible to have an evening and
morning, light and dark, on the very first day if
the sun is not already in the sky?


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Message 25 of 257 (893551)
04-16-2022 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by jar
04-14-2022 2:40 PM


Jar, you accuse me of being ignorant and dishonest.
However, evolutionary scientists are among the most
dishonest professionals of all disciplines.

Among their numerous fakes and forgeries are:

Piltdown man;
Archaeoraptor;
Hackel's embryo illustrations, which was offered as
scientific evidence.
Nebraska man, which turned out to be a pig.
Peppered Moths. Both dark and light specimens
have always existed simultaneously. Neither
rest on tree trunks during daylight, and they only
fly at night.
Etc......


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Message 30 of 257 (893559)
04-16-2022 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by dwise1
04-16-2022 3:30 AM


Look dwise don't insult my intelligence
with radiocarbon dating crap. It is extremely
unreliable.

General speaking, the results are manipulated
to obtain the expected age. Deny all you
want, but we both know this is true.

In some instances the head and the tail of the
same fossils have been dated as much as
20,000 years between.

Also, fossils are dated by the strata that they
are found in, and the strata is dated by the
fossils they contain.

There is absolutely nothing that supports
evolution.


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Message 37 of 257 (893585)
04-17-2022 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by PaulK
04-14-2022 1:18 PM


Paulk, vs. 3 simply states "Let there be light."
In this verse God is simply removing debris
from earth's atmosphere, which permitted
light to enter. A person on the face of the
earth would have seen translucent light.

In verse 14 God speaks of specific lights in
the firmament of the heaven to divide day
from night; to be for signs and seasons.
They were to be for days and years.

Before day four light only permeated the
earth's atmosphere during the day. At night
there was stygian darkness.

On the fourth days God made visual
observation of the sun, moon, and stars
possible.

Vs. 16-18 are parenthetical statements
that indicate the sun, moon, and stars
had been made sometime in past.

Asah, which is translated made in vs 16
is in the verb form that denotes
completed action.

Chapter one of Roman's states that the
qualities of God can be seen just by
observing the world's around us.

It is so obvious from what has been
created that we are left without excuse
when we deny Him.

Speaking of these misguided professors.
It states that "professing themselves to
be wise, they become fools.

I believe this.


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Message 39 of 257 (893589)
04-17-2022 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by PaulK
04-17-2022 8:44 AM


Okay Paulk, have it your way. It makes
much more sense to believe that God
created the sun on the first day and
that he created it again on the fourth day.

You can't seem to grasp how moronic
this reasoning is.


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Message 43 of 257 (893600)
04-17-2022 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by jar
04-17-2022 10:03 AM


Jar, I have been adamant about how life started.
I've laid it out there.

Now, you tell me how life started. And don't say
that this has nothing to do with evolution.

Either prove that life came from non-living
matter, or that it was created.

If you say that life began by chance, then
I challenge you to prove how this happened.
I challenge you to replicate it.

If you say that life was by design, then
I challenge you to prove that it was not the
God of the Bible who created it.

Where are all the transitional fossils?
There must, by all reasonable standards,
be hundreds of millions of them.

Why should science be restricted to naturalistic
causes rather than logical ones?

Can you explain In a step-by-step procedure
How the flagellum motor came to be? How
about the eye? Or the enormous complexities
of blood clotting?

Name me all the scientific breakthroughs due
to evolution?

Why do evolutionists place more importance on
ridiculous theories than they do on operational/
observable science?

What has been observed during all recorded
history is that one kind of animal always
reproduces the same kind of animal.

For example, a pig's offsprings will, and always
has been pigs. The same is true for humans.

This is called operational science, and it has
been replicated trillions of times.

It is impossible to replicate this mumbo-jumbo
nonsense you dish out.


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Message 44 of 257 (893603)
04-17-2022 1:05 PM
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04-17-2022 10:18 AM


I'm still waiting Paulk.

Tell me what you interpret the light
from day one and day 4 to be.

How can you criticize my viewpoints;
yet, are not willing to offer your own?


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Message 48 of 257 (893609)
04-17-2022 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by PaulK
04-17-2022 1:23 PM


What was the daylight on day one?
And, without the sun being the determining
factor, what caused the light?

Furthermore, what then caused the night
(Darkness), if the earth didn't rotate to
face away from the sun?

These questions have to be answered.

God tells us to prove everything.


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Message 49 of 257 (893610)
04-17-2022 2:02 PM
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Dwise, you have put nothing out there that
I have not already dismissed dozens of times.

If you were to tell me that you believe evolution
is true, then I could at least respect your faith.

You are trying to tell me that evolution is true
and has been proved.

It is impossible to prove this assertion.


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Message 59 of 257 (893673)
04-18-2022 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by dwise1
04-17-2022 10:57 PM


Dwise, several things to say here:

First of all, I do have cataracts, and
the left eye is scheduled to be operated
on a week from today. The right eye is
Two week from the left.

I ask that you shorten your posts and
make one or two points at a time.

Also, I am not asking that creationism
Be taught in school.

In addition, I would like to see the theory
of evolution stop being taught as fact, when
It takes much more faith to believe in
evolution than it does in creation.

You give a lot of people's opinions about
how evolution might have progressed, but
that is all they are.

Give me infallible, undeniable proof of
creation. Conjectures are valueless.

Scientists do not know one percent of
all there is to know about the universe
and everything contained in it.

In other words, We are extremely primitive.
Don't pretend otherwise.


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Message 66 of 257 (893772)
04-19-2022 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by dwise1
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I am still waiting for proof of evolution.
Do you have this proof on film?

Anyone can claim something as fact,
but it is something else to prove their
lies.

I want to see your empirical evidence.
In fact, I demand to see it.

My empirical evidence is being produced
everyday. I take great pride in the fact
(and it is indeed a fact) that human
mother's produce human babies, and
that oak trees produce oak trees. Etc...

Based on God's word in Genesis, this
is exactly what an intelligent and reasonable
person would expect to see.

In fact, I boldly predict with 100% certainly
that next week; next month; next year; and
next century (if we are still going) that human
mother's will still be producing human babies.

If you doubt that what I am saying is true, then
call me on it. I'll give you ten to one odds.

Are you aware that diamonds can be created
in the lab in just a couple of months? There is
no need to waitillions of years.

Oil can be produced in minutes with a little
algae and water. Again, no need to wait
millions of years for a can of it.

Listen, I am not telling you that I can prove
God exists.

You, on the other hand, say with great conviction,
that evolution is a fact.

It is not up to me to disprove your assertion. On
the contrary, it is up to you to prove it beyond
any shadow of a doubt.

Why do evolutionists ignore the best proved
law of physics--law of increasing entropy. The
second Law of Thermodynamics applies not
only in physical and chemistry, but in biological
and geological. They all lose order.

Evolutionary systems are expected to increase
in order and complexity. However, no exception
to the 2nd Law has ever been found.

Are you aware that over 3,000,000,000 sets
(Pairs) of genetic letters make up the human
genome? Or that each human has more than
10 billion miles of DNA?

I want to see your proof--you do have it, don't
you? You sure talk like you do.

Not one person who has ever lived, except
you--has been an eye witness to macro-
evolution.

Evolution zealots say that vestigial structure
are proof that evolution is true. What a crock.
why would evolutionary processes have created
these structures in the first place if they were
not needed?

I stopped posting on this site several years back
because of my eyes. I did not know it at that time
but I had Cataracts. Only recently did I find this out.
Also, I get ocular migranes, which are not painful,
but the wavy, flashing patterns are quite
bothersome.

But, don,t feel bad for me. I just turned 69, but
I lift weights; ride a mountain bike; and, do
30 minutes of fast aerobic dancing every
morning.

I don't smoke, drink, or take drugs. I have really
Good health except for my eyes.

In any event, I know that you are an honest man,
who will provide the proof of evolution.


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Message 75 of 257 (893808)
04-20-2022 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Taq
04-19-2022 6:51 PM


Evolutionists cannot prove that dinosaurs died
out 75,000,000 years ago. And creationists
cannot prove that dinosaurs coexisted with
man, but the preponderance of the evidence
greatly favors creationists.

The sheer number of names given to dragons
and dinosaurs worldwide is quite impressive.
All countries have their dragon myths.

Proofs of dinosaurs are found on sculptures.
bas reliefs, pictographs, carvings, drawings,
paintings, petrographs, mosaics, tapestries,
etc.

Ancient historians described dragons as real,
living creatures. They listed them with their
descriptions of other creatures that we are
more familiar with.

These historians would not have been able to
describe the dinosaurs so precisely if they had
not, in fact, encountered them. It is impossible
to think otherwise.

This would be similar to someone who lived
4000 years ago describing a modern car,
with air-conditioning and stereo.

Evolutionists deny these encounters, and all
the evidence of them because to accept even
one would end their fairytale.

And, they would be right. If just one dinosaur
is shown to have existed alongside man their
straw house would fall down.

Marco Polo in 'The Travels of Marco Polo,"
Part 2, chapter 40, describes a Chinese
dragon.

The dragon was 30 feet or so long. It had two
short front legs, with 3 claws. It had large
menacing eyes. It had jaws wide enough to
swallow a man. His mouth was filled with
large sharp teeth.

The dragons would bed up during the day.
In the cool of the evening they would go down
to a watering hole, dragging their tales behind
them.

Villagers would drive long, sharp iron nails
through a heavy wooden beam and cover
the beam with sand. The dragon (t-rex)
would step on the nails and become trapped.
The villagers would then kill them.

Recently, my eight year old grandson watched
one of the Jurrasic Park movies. I asked him
to describe the t-rex to me. He described
it almost verbatim as Marco Polo.

Job 40:15-24 describes the behemoth; a giant
reptile with bones like tube of brass: limbs
like bars of iron; and, He moves his tail like a
cedar tree.

Evolutionists try to tell us that God is describing
an elephant, or perhaps a hippo. Are these
people blind, seriously?

The tails of both elephants and hips are really
small. The tail described is more like the tail
on a sauropod.


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