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dwise1
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Message 196 of 254 (894268)
05-09-2022 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by candle2
05-08-2022 9:45 AM


SHOW US, candle2!
I deal only in facts.
Well, PROVE IT! Present facts instead of your incessant lies!
Specifically:
True evolution would for example be a cat evolving into a
dog.
Since you persist with that particular extremely stupid creationist lie, we must insist:
SHOW US!!!
Show us any scientific source which describes evolution in that manner!
Show us where evolution ever says or teaches that!
DO NOT QUOTE A CREATIONIST SOURCE, since that source would only repeat the same lie. However, it is possible for a creationist source to provide a scientific source that the creationist claims to say that -- it is sadly common for creationists to misrepresent the scientific sources that they cite, most often because they never bothered to even look at those sources let alone read them.
Also, DO NOT JUST SIMPLY REPEAT YOUR LIE AD NAUSEAUM! Instead, make some effort to support it, defend it, and discuss it!

Edited by dwise1, : changed subtitle


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candle2
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Message 197 of 254 (894348)
05-13-2022 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by dwise1
05-09-2022 3:45 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Dwise, you keep saying that I have the concept of
evolution wrong. Regardless of how I state it you
and the other keep saying no; that is not how it
happened.
I want you to state step-by-step how it has unfolded
over the billions of years. I would also like for you to
list your absolute proofs. If you cannot provide proof,
please state that it an assumption.
You seem to be the most deceived among the
evolutionists on this board. However, I want to
know exactly how it came about, and how you
know for a fact that this is how it has played
out.
If you think it came about by theistic evolution,
please say so. If you think that life came about
by, for instance, chemical reactions, then you
also need to explain the evolution of chemicals.
There is no need for me to make assumptions
about how the evolutionists believe it came about.
Once I know I will stick to that guideline.
When you and the other evolutionists say that you
know for a fact that evolution is true, I then want
to ask:
Do you know all that there is to know about the universe?
Do you know 50% of all there is to know?
How about 25%, or 10%.
I think it is safe to say that humans know less than
1% of all there is to know about the universe.
Since we know so little, how can we possbly know
what happened 4.5 billion years ago, or 1 billion
years ago, or 100 million years ago, or even
10,000 years ago?
My opthamologist advised me to refrain from staring
at a lighted screen for extended periods, especially
for the next two weeks, but I would like to read your
reply.

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dwise1
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Message 198 of 254 (894352)
05-13-2022 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by candle2
05-13-2022 2:02 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Dwise, you keep saying that I have the concept of
evolution wrong. Regardless of how I state it you
and the other keep saying no; that is not how it
happened.

I want you to state step-by-step how it has unfolded
over the billions of years.
And you want me to perform that herculean task while you stand on one foot?
Like in that asshole gentile's demand of Rabbi Hillel? Just so you can avoid answering our basic simple request that you support your own stupid creationist lie. Typical piece-of-shit lying creationist asshole!
Here is what you are trying to avoid responding to (from Message 196 which was replying to your Message 189):
DWise1 writes:
Specifically:
cowardly candle writes:
True evolution would for example be a cat evolving into a
dog.
Since you persist with that particular extremely stupid creationist lie, we must insist:
SHOW US!!!
Show us any scientific source which describes evolution in that manner!
Show us where evolution ever says or teaches that!
So show us, asshole! Or admit that your lies are indeed lies!
And oh BTW, we have explained to you many times how evolution works and why your lie is so ludicrously wrong. In my Message 146 I pointed you back to just a few of those explanations which you refused to read!:
DWise1 writes:
I explained it to you in Message 484. READ IT! And don't you dare whine like a baby that "your phone is too smwall ... waaaaahh!!!!". Pull your head out of your ass and learn the truth of what evolution says.
And stop repeating your stupid creationist lies. Why is it that creationists have no other recourse than to lie about everything? To serve their god through lies and deception, with reveals their (and your) god to be The Lord of Lies, AKA Satan!
 
I repeated the text of Message 484 in Message 70. Read it!
The new species which form from their parent species are still of the same "kind". That is exactly what evolution says! If they were to have become a different "kind", then that would disprove evolution and almost the whole of biology.
 
 
My opthamologist ...
Yeah, about that.
You have single-mindedly posted one lie after another here. So what possible reason should we have to think that you are suddenly telling us that truth about anything?
I think that you are lying to us yet again, this time about cataract surgery. Because you are a lying creationist. Like the scorpion in that constantly cited story where he has to sting because it's in his nature. You have to lie about everything, because as a creationist and a "true Christian" you are incapable of ever telling the truth. You are driven to lie.

Edited by dwise1, : corrected HTML entity code, nbsp


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AZPaul3
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Message 199 of 254 (894355)
05-13-2022 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by candle2
05-13-2022 2:02 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Typical creationist BS. Evolution is fact and has been verified. Evolution is settled science.
Dwise1 doesn’t have to prove anything. The question is settled.
You think it’s wrong. You are trying to overturn settled science. To do that you have to bring more and stronger facts, stronger science, than evolution has.
You have to bring stronger proof than the settled science. That does not mean you can just say it isn’t so. You have to show the replacement and how it works in more detail and yielding the same results and predictive powers.
I want you to state step-by-step how your creation has unfolded over the billions of years. I want you to list your absolute proofs. Bible not accepted.
If you cannot provide proof then state that you have no proof and that your proposed processes are fictitious.
I don’t think you can do that. In fact I know you can’t. Better minds than you have tried for these last dozen decades and have not managed to change anything.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 200 of 254 (894357)
05-13-2022 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by candle2
05-13-2022 2:02 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candy writes:
Do you know all that there is to know about the universe?
Do you know 50% of all there is to know?
How about 25%, or 10%.
I think it is safe to say that humans know less than
1% of all there is to know about the universe.
You have a very strange and unorthodox view of knowledge.
How do you propose someone would calculate how much knowledge they have?
If you do not know how much knowledge there is about the Universe
how could you possible calculate what percentage you know?
candy writes:
I think it is safe to say that humans know less than
1% of all there is to know about the universe.
Really? So you have quantified everything that all humans have learned,
and then calculated the percentage of all possible knowledge?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
candy writes:
Since we know so little, how can we possbly know
what happened 4.5 billion years ago, or 1 billion
years ago, or 100 million years ago, or even
10,000 years ago?
Actually, it's just YOU who knows so little.
The stuff we don't know yet does not stop us from looking at the evidence that we do have.
It does not tell us everything, which is great, because it keeps us exploring and experimenting and discovering new evidence.
It just keeps adding up. Little discoveries in every field of science. New evidence, and it always supports evolution, every single time.
And evolution is NEVER one species of animal giving birth to a different species. NOT EVER!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 201 of 254 (894359)
05-13-2022 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by AZPaul3
05-13-2022 4:52 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
A little perspective.
Your counter-challenge to wickless:
I want you to state step-by-step how your creation has unfolded over the billions of years. I want you to list your absolute proofs.
While that is an accurate depiction of his "counter-challenge" to me, it does not reflect my question to him. The question that triggered his extreme reaction. The question that terrifies him because he has no answer for it, nor has any creationist ever been able to answer it:
quote
What the hell are you talking about?
The moment that you ask a creationist to support his claim, any claim at all*, he shrivels up (like a demon roasting on a spit) and tries any trick he can to avoid it. Such as throwing "impossible questions" at you, or just plain running away in terror.
That is what we are seeing wickless doing here. Like all creationists I've encountered (with such extremely few exceptions that I cannot recall any), he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. All he knows is how to repeat verbatim the false claims that he's been spoon-fed, but he knows absolutely nothing about those claims nor any of the reasoning (to be overly generous) that went into their formulation. Ask him to explain anything about his claims and he literally has nothing. That is why someone trying to discuss his claims with him is so terrifying for him. Especially if he was also taught the pernicious lie that his faith and his god depend completely on that false claim being true (which of course it is not).
 
But even without that, there's the sheer imbalance in his response. By analogy, ask Putin why he's attacking Ukraine and his response is to launch all his nukes at you.
I ask wickless to support his own claim by answering some very valid and pertinent questions about it and his response is to "nuke" me with an impossible challenge.
It should be so easy for him to just respond to my request that he support his own claim. But he won't.

FOOTNOTE:
For an example, refer to my page, BILL MORGAN'S QUESTION: Should Kids be Taught About God?.
Creationist Bill Morgan's SOP was to just throw "impossible questions" at me and then when I'd answer his "impossible question" and try to discuss it with him, he would go to extremes to avoid doing so (eg, he'd throw a different "impossible question" at me, claim that I hadn't answered it, or run away). When he'd claim that I hadn't answered his question, I would ask him to please explain what is was about my answer that he rejected, which he would never ever do, but rather avoid answering my simple "what are you talking about?" question with extreme avoidance. Sound familiar?
One of his "impossible questions" was actually a good question, except that it was ambiguous (which I addressed in my response):
quote
"If God exists, should the kids be taught about Him?"
A third-party observer described my answer as brilliant, which it actually was. All Bill did was to complain that I hadn't answered his question. So I asked him why he thought that, to which he would do nothing but repeat the same ambiguous question over and over again -- and to which I would repeat my answer to him multiple times.
Finally, I made my final request that he explain why he was rejecting my answer, to which he ran away in an even more extreme manner: he abruptly closed his email account and did not post a new address in his creationist club's newsletter for the next two years.

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Message 202 of 254 (894415)
05-15-2022 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by candle2
05-13-2022 2:02 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candle2 writes:
I would also like for you to
list your absolute proofs.
1. Science doesn't deal in proofs. It deals in evidence.
2. Science doesn't deal in absolutes.
candle2 writes:
If you cannot provide proof,
please state that it an assumption.
False dichotomy.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Percy
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Message 203 of 254 (894417)
05-15-2022 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by candle2
05-13-2022 2:02 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
From your previous Message 189:
candle2 writes:
Percy, I don't ignore what people say.
I replied that ignoring people is exactly what you do. You ignored it.
I'm an idiot, but I'm going to reply to this one, too.
Unless you have a good reason for your short lines, I'm going to throw away your formatting from now on.
Dwise, you keep saying that I have the concept of evolution wrong. Regardless of how I state it you
and the other keep saying no; that is not how it happened.
You haven't described evolution accurately yet.
I want you to state step-by-step how it has unfolded over the billions of years. I would also like for you to list your absolute proofs. If you cannot provide proof, please state that it an assumption.
I want you to describe step-by-step how religion has unfolded over the thousands of years, and I want you to list your absolute proofs. Anything you can't prove must be an assumption.
You seem to be the most deceived among the evolutionists on this board.
You seem to be the most confounded among creationists on this board. Dwise1 understands evolution in pretty much the same way as everyone else here who approaches the world from a scientific standpoint.
If you think it came about by theistic evolution, please say so. If you think that life came about by, for instance, chemical reactions, then you also need to explain the evolution of chemicals.
I think you're confusing evolution with the origin of life. We know a great deal about evolution, much less about the origin of life, though what evidence we do have is of a natural origin.
There is no need for me to make assumptions about how the evolutionists believe it came about. Once I know I will stick to that guideline.
The process of evolution is well understood, and it's been explained to you at least several times. Why are you asking again?
When you and the other evolutionists say that you know for a fact that evolution is true, I then want to ask:
I doubt very much that anyone here has ever said words to the effect that they know for a fact evolution is true. They're much more likely to have said something like that the evidence tells us that the process of evolution is responsible for the diversity of life on Earth throughout time, and that we observe evolution in action today.
Do you know all that there is to know about the universe?
You're making the identical mistake that Dredge just made over at Do scientists know how evolution works?, confusing not knowing everything with not knowing anything.
Since we know so little, how can we possibly know what happened 4.5 billion years ago, or 1 billion years ago, or 100 million years ago, or even 10,000 years ago?
We know what we have evidence for.
My ophthalmologist advised me to refrain from staring at a lighted screen for extended periods, especially for the next two weeks, but I would like to read your reply.
Why? If history is any guide you won't be replying to anything he says in reply.
--Percy

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candle2
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Message 204 of 254 (894469)
05-17-2022 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Percy
05-15-2022 3:06 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Percy, you and several others have asked for proof
that God (currently consisting of the Father and Jesus).
I cannot provide you with absolute proof, especially if
you refuse to even consider it.
However, God can provide convincing proof, and to me
undeniable proof, that He exists.
Until I see my opthologist again this coming Monday, I
will make short abbreviated posts. Listen, l've never
made fun of anyone's health issues in my life.
First, God is not trying to save all humans during this
present age. More than 99% of those who call themselves
Christians don't understand this.
Jesus taught in parables, and most assume that this
was to make His teachings clearer.
But, in fact, the exact opposite was true.
Mark 4:11-12 And He said unto them, "unto you it is
given to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God:
but unto them that are without, all these things are
done in parables:"
"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and
hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at
any time they should be converted, and their sins
should be forgiven them."
Read also Matthew 13: 13-15. & Luke 8:10.
Jesus says in John 6:44 that no one could come
to Him, except the Father draws him. He restated
this in verse 65.
Paul states in Romans 8: 29-30 that some are
predestination to conform to God's image.
The predestinated ones are only the firstfruits.
The firstfruits are called out down through the
ages and offered a position in God's Kingdom
when Christ returns to earth and establishes it.
Predestinated simply means limited in advance.
Everyone brought up in the second Resurrection
will be told that they deserve the death penalty,
but that Christ paid that penalty for them.
Notice that those in the second resurrection
(Rev.20) are brought back as flesh and blood
humans. Also notice that this is to be a judgment,
not a sentencing.
These Individuals will be given God's Holy Spirit,
and taught brought Christ and the firstfruits, who
at that time are members of the God family.
All who ever lived (except the firstfruits and those
who will be raised in the third resurrection) will be
raised up in the second resurrection.
Those in the third resurrection will consist of the
truly evil; those who devoted their lives to Satan
and his cause; and, those who God called during
this present age, but they willfully refused His
calling.
This might not seem like I am offering proof for
the existence of God. But, I hope it will all tie in.
I will continue in a few hours.

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Percy
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Message 205 of 254 (894473)
05-17-2022 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by candle2
05-17-2022 9:00 AM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candle2 writes:
Percy, you and several others have asked for proof that God (currently consisting of the Father and Jesus).
I would never ask you for proof of God. I think you're misinterpreting where I mimicked your absurd request about evolution with an equally absurd request about your religion, this here:
I want you to state step-by-step how it has unfolded over the billions of years. I would also like for you to list your absolute proofs. If you cannot provide proof, please state that it an assumption.

I want you to describe step-by-step how religion has unfolded over the thousands of years, and I want you to list your absolute proofs. Anything you can't prove must be an assumption.
Since I never asked for proof of God, I'll disregard the portions of your post on this topic, which means I'll have to disregard all of it.
I will continue in a few hours.
If you mean about proving God, please don't. Please reply to the messages you've been ignoring, most recently Message 191 and Message 203. You said, "I don't ignore what people say," but you continue to do exactly that. Not very considerate for someone who claims following God's example is so important to him.
--Percy

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Message 206 of 254 (894479)
05-17-2022 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by candle2
05-17-2022 9:00 AM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candle2 writes:
First, God is not trying to save all humans during this
present age. More than 99% of those who call themselves
Christians don't understand this.
I think everybody understands that that is your belief. We also understand that God "saving" us from Himself is a ridiculous concept.
But your religious rubbish has nothing to do with the topic. Stop adding more nonsense and discuss the nonsense that you've already posted.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 207 of 254 (894481)
05-17-2022 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Percy
05-15-2022 3:06 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Percy, before Adam was created Lucifer, who God later
called Satan, was placed on the unfinished earth to put
the finishing touches to it--much like putting the finishing
touches to a piece of furniture.
A third of the angel were put under his command. But,
Satan, because of his great beauty and false pride,
rebelled. He thought that he should sit at the left hand
of God and rule the universe as a trinity.
God had placed Satan the ruler of earth, and the angels,
who later became demons, were subordinate to him.
Satan and his horde battled against the loyal angels of
God, who were led by the archangel Michael. The solar
system, and perhaps the entire universe, bear the scars
of this titanic battle.
Satan was defeated and cast back down to the earth.
However, he was still the ruler on the earth. God keeps
some reign over him, but he is still the God of this
world/age.
Adam was created to replace Satan, but he failed to
qualify for the position. Both he and Eve were deceived
by Satan, and they questioned whether God or they
themselves knew the way to true happiness.
The fall of Adam, which brought sin and death into the
world, left Satan as earth's ruler.
God foreknew that Adam would sin, and bring
death to all his offspring. The Word knew that one day
He would be born of a woman and give His life as a
ransom for us all.
Adam made the wrong choice because he did not know
way of life was best. One way exemplified by Satan is
the way of "get." God's way is the way of "give."
One way consisted of greed, competition, and get ahead
at all cost. The other is one of love, sharing, and genuine
concern for his fellow man.
God intends for all humans to experience both ways.
This is the only way that we can make an Informed
choice.
The world has suffered greatly under Satan's rule. It
gets so bad that (Matthew 24) if Christ delayed His
return that no life on earth would be left alive.
God will then show us His way of life. He will be very
patient with us. He loves us dearly, and it breaks His
heart to see what we do to ourselves, but He had to
let it run its course.
2Cor. 4:4 states that Satan is the God of this
world/present age.
Eph. 2:2 states that he is the prince of the power of
the air. He controls Hollywood; the music industry;
and, earth's rulers.
Rev. 12:9 tells us that he deceives the whole world.
Only God can prevent one from this.
Actors; musicians; world rulers; high men of industry
have all sold their soul (present life) to Satan and his
cause in order to achieve fame, power, and wealth.
Satan uses these people to influence and polute the
minds of others, especially the young.
I have seen hundreds of stars, etc..., admit to having
sold their souls to Satan in order to get what their
hearts most desired.
He also controls our institutions of learning. Our
schools and universities forbid the teaching of
God and His laws. They do not allow one to teach
that we were created in His image.
They teach, without any evidence whatsoever, that
we are creatures of chance; that we are nothing more
than animals.
There is no wonder that we kill each other so easily.
Babies, who are in their mother's womb, are ripped
apart by doctors without an ounce of remorse.
In California (bill 2223) says that if a baby dies
within thirty days after being born that the mother
Will not be charged. They deny this, but read the
bill. In several states it is permissible to kill a
human baby as it is being born.
Only God can provide absolute proof that He is our
Creator. He can convince an individual beyond a
shadow of a doubt that He exists.
Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me,
when you search for me with all your heart.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible
to please Him: forhe that cometh to God must
believe that He is, and that He is a rewarded of
them that diligently seek Him.
God has precestinated some. However, He will
never turn away those who desperately want and
look for Him.

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Message 208 of 254 (894483)
05-17-2022 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by candle2
05-17-2022 12:39 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
before Adam was created Lucifer,
God had placed Satan the ruler of earth, and the angels,
who later became demons, were subordinate to him.
Adam was created to replace Satan, but he failed to
qualify for the position.
Satan was defeated and cast back down to the earth.
However, he was still the ruler on the earth.
Isn't this a 1990s video game? Something about The Empires of Eden wasn't it? The object was to kill all the humans with Bender in a cameo appearance as a snake.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 209 of 254 (894484)
05-17-2022 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by candle2
05-17-2022 12:39 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candy writes:
I have seen hundreds of stars, etc..., admit to having
sold their souls to Satan in order to get what their
hearts most desired.
I don't believe you. Name them all!
People who have what their heart desires all know you cannot buy it, it has to be earned by their own efforts, otherwise it is worthless!
candy writes:
Only God can provide absolute proof that He is our
Creator. He can convince an individual beyond a
shadow of a doubt that He exists.
Yeah, it should be super easy for a god, and yet not a single shred of proof.
Your god is pathetic if it can't even show it exists. I have not seen a single attempt.
It's pure fiction without any evidence whatsoever.

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Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Percy
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Message 210 of 254 (894485)
05-17-2022 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by candle2
05-17-2022 12:39 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Clearly you didn't read my message. I said I would never ask you for proof of God, and that I thought you had misinterpreted where I mimicked your absurd request about evolution with an equally absurd request about your religion, this here:
I want you to state step-by-step how it has unfolded over the billions of years. I would also like for you to list your absolute proofs. If you cannot provide proof, please state that it an assumption.

I want you to describe step-by-step how religion has unfolded over the thousands of years, and I want you to list your absolute proofs. Anything you can't prove must be an assumption.
Since I never asked for anything about God I'll disregard the portions of your post that deal with that topic, which means all of it.
Please reply to the messages you've been ignoring, most recently Message 191 and Message 203. You said, "I don't ignore what people say," but you continue to do exactly that. Not very considerate for someone who claims following God's example is so important to him.
--Percy

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