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jar
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Message 3766 of 3828 (919137)
06-28-2024 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 3765 by candle2
06-28-2024 9:35 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
The god you claim to worship exists only in your imagination. Like all gods anyone names it is a human creation. It exists because YOU need it.

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dwise1
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Message 3767 of 3828 (919138)
06-28-2024 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 3766 by jar
06-28-2024 9:37 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Like all gods anyone names it is a human creation. It exists because YOU need it.
And candle2's god agrees with everything candle2 thinks, including hating the same people that candle2 hates. Exactly the same as everybody else's god agrees with them.
Almost as if that's the purpose of creating a god.

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Taq
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Message 3768 of 3828 (919140)
06-28-2024 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3765 by candle2
06-28-2024 9:35 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
candle2 writes:
There are two sources we can choose to place our faith
in: these are evolution or creation.
No faith is needed. We have mountains of evidence.
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
If you weren't ignorant of the real world you would know this.
What we observe in every instance is that life comes from
existing life.
Then why do you have a problem with all species coming from a common ancestor?
As far as being fooled it happens to all of us. Until God
opened my eyes I did not know that all men on TV were
transgendered, and vice versa.
Ok . . . I invoke Poe's Law.

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candle2
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Message 3769 of 3828 (919142)
06-28-2024 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3766 by jar
06-28-2024 9:37 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Jar, you stated:
"The god you claim to worship exists only in your
imagination. Like all gods anyone names it is a human
creation. It exists because YOU Need it."
***Yes, I need Him.
What you might or might not think about Him carries no
weight. What you think is insignificant.
Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists all need Jesus.
The Bible teaches that all of the adherents of these other
religions will all receive their opportunity for eternal life.
Those who are still alive when Christ returns to set up His
Kingdom will receive their chance for eternal life at that time.
The vast majority of humans who have ever lived will
receive their opportunity at that time, when the books
of life are open to them.
For the first time in their lives they learn the truth about
God's plan for them. The vast majority of them will reach
for Him with all their hearts.
The 2nd resurrection is not a resurrection for sentencing.
It is a resurrection tto judgement.
Everyone will be judged by Christ and the other members
of the family of God (those who have already conformed
to His image.
They will be judged by how they live after learning the truth,
and after they have received His Holy Spirit.
Those who are called by God during this present age are
merely the firstfruits-- not the only fruit.
I can find nothing wrong with God's plan for us, and for
His method of bringing it to fruition.

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Zucadragon
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From: Netherlands
Joined: 06-28-2006


Message 3770 of 3828 (919144)
06-28-2024 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 3765 by candle2
06-28-2024 9:35 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
You were the one that brought up demons and magicians. So you can bla bla about other topics like it means something, but you have yet to present us a case of demon magic, the thing you claim exists.
Are you going to, or are you just chickening out? Show an example or for once be humble enough to say that you don't know of an example.

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AZPaul3
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Message 3771 of 3828 (919146)
06-28-2024 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3770 by Zucadragon
06-28-2024 2:28 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
The lying priest has spoken. There is no return. And the adamant demands of unbelievers are easily ignored. Such is the way of the charlatan.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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candle2
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Message 3772 of 3828 (919148)
06-28-2024 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 3770 by Zucadragon
06-28-2024 2:28 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, Shim Lin admitted to using black art magic
on AGT.
Mike Super on AGT admitted to using a demon whose
name was Desmond. Notice that Demon can be spelled.
Beyonce has a spirit (demon) that she calls Sasha Fierce.
She admits this.
Many musicians have awoke at three in the morning. A
voice telks them to "write this down." Much of their lyrics
come to them this way.
Common sense dictates that many of these magic acts
require supernatural assistance.
Remember that Satan and his demons do not want us to
know that they perform their magic. Satan wants the
world to not know that he exists.
But they do want us to believe that Jesus was nothing
more than a magician.

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PaulK
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Message 3773 of 3828 (919149)
06-28-2024 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3772 by candle2
06-28-2024 3:42 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you’re just really gullible. After all you fell for that Anglo-Israelite nonsense when all you could do is point to a silly crank book and claim that it was “well researched” and full of “proofs”. But you just fell for it.

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Taq
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Message 3774 of 3828 (919150)
06-28-2024 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 3772 by candle2
06-28-2024 3:42 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
candle2 writes:
Zucadrago, Shim Lin admitted to using black art magic
on AGT.
And you fell for it.
Thankfully, gullible isn't found in the dictionary.

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Zucadragon
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Posts: 142
From: Netherlands
Joined: 06-28-2006


Message 3775 of 3828 (919152)
06-28-2024 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3772 by candle2
06-28-2024 3:42 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Those are not examples though... Anyone can say they are something.
What this tells me, is that you do not have an example, you say demon magic exists, but you cannot point at a SINGLE video that shows this, that shows a magic trick that can't be explained in other ways.
If many acts require supernatural assistance, point at a video, at a magic trick and what is demonic about it, supernatural, what makes it so it CAN'T be done without demon magic, whatever the heck that may be.
"People claim this or that" doesn't mean anything, examples or just drop it if you got nothing, because then it's all just hot air.
Common sense dictates that you are being fooled, because that's the goal of a magic act, to make you think it's magic. Common sense does not dictate that supernatural assistance is required, because again, you have no examples of a supernatural magic trick, if it's this common, it should be easy.

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PaulK
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Message 3776 of 3828 (919154)
06-29-2024 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 3775 by Zucadragon
06-28-2024 8:09 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
I looked at that section of the video. That out-of-context remark is all there is. And it’s repeated 3 times in a row. You’d have to be very gullible to trust that.

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dwise1
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Message 3777 of 3828 (919155)
06-29-2024 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 3776 by PaulK
06-29-2024 2:00 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
That out-of-context remark is all there is. And it’s repeated 3 times in a row. You’d have to be very gullible to trust that.
Three times, huh? That's significant!
Background info:
Everybody's father has tried to pass his accumulated wisdom on to his son. My father did it to me, as I did to my own son, as he will do onto his own son. That's why we have a lineage, right?
So my father told me what a salesman had told him: If you're a salesman, then you can sell anything. Salesman's standard interview question was to be tossed a pencil and then have to sell the interviewer on buying that pencil from you.
My father told me that that salesman revealed a secret to him: Get your mark ... er ... customer to agree with you (AKA "say 'YES'") three times about absolutely anything at all, regardless of how irrelevant it is to the product, and that customer will also say "yes" to the fourth question which is to seal the deal.
What? Like I'm the only one to see that here?
candle2 gets lured in, views that out-of-context remark and agrees with the judgement of that remark three times (AKA "saying 'yes' three times") and he buys into all of the next part without question (AKA "the very definition of 'being gullible'" -- though the truly gullible would have already been sold on the first utterance (AKA, "You had me long before 'Hello.'") ).
IOW, that video was specifically and deliberately designed to lure in the gullible and to entrap them in one of the oldest sales tricks in the books.
No differently than too many other such videos.
And we are all their targets.
 
PS
OK, so with candle2 it doesn't take three times. For that matter, it doesn't even take one time since he has already bought into the lie the moment he hears it.

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candle2
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Posts: 892
Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 3778 of 3828 (919158)
06-30-2024 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3774 by Taq
06-28-2024 4:20 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, you wanted someone to admit it.
When I give it to you, you reject it.
The truth is that you reject anything that that points
to demons, Satan, or God.
Tell me if these celebrities are lying, too!
"Celebrities who admit selling their soul to Satan"
Famous people have sold their soul (life) to Satan.
Did you ever see the movie "Eyes wide shut?"
This is you. You cannot see what is right in front of
your face.
Check these out on Youtube:
"Playboy Transvestigation part 1" also 2,3,4.
"News readers transvestigation part 1" also 2.
You are living in a little dream world.
This is a world that is still ruled by Satan. It is so
easy for him to fool you.
Satan hates God, and he hates us with a passion
that cannot be matched.
He is the most powerful being that God could
create by fiat.
He wants you to dismiss him. He wants you to
laugh at those who say that he exists.
He wants you to assist him in robbing you of
your opportunity of eternal life.

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candle2
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Posts: 892
Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 3779 of 3828 (919159)
06-30-2024 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3777 by dwise1
06-29-2024 3:17 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Dwise, you wrote:
"OK, so with candle2 it doesn't take three times. For that
matter, it doesn't even take one time since he has already
bought into the lie the moment he hears it."
***It took me awhile to believe what my eyes were telling
me.
If you believe that all these famous women were born
female, and that the men were all born male, please say
so.
I am not the one pulling the wool over your eyes. I am
simply trying to help you see that this is what has
happened.

You have been deceived by someone much greater than I.
One day you will see that I was only trying to help you.

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Zucadragon
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Posts: 142
From: Netherlands
Joined: 06-28-2006


Message 3780 of 3828 (919160)
06-30-2024 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 3778 by candle2
06-30-2024 1:48 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
So if I tell you I'm a dragon, do you believe I'm a dragon? My name is Zucadragon after all, of course not, you'd want evidence, right, right? If not, that would be stupid.
Do you know what evidence is?
Because I don't think you do. Like all the videos I shared showing that magicians use tricks. I asked you multiple times to show me video evidence of demon magic. You keep ignoring it.
So one more time, show a video which you think is demon magic, not someone saying it, no, find a magic trick that CANNOT be done without so called demon magic.

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