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Taq
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Message 3781 of 3828 (919163)
07-01-2024 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3778 by candle2
06-30-2024 1:48 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
candle2 writes:
Famous people have sold their soul (life) to Satan.

Did you ever see the movie "Eyes wide shut?"
Are you also convinced that Santa Claus exists because you saw him in a movie? I don't think you can tell the difference between reality and fiction.
You are living in a little dream world.

This is a world that is still ruled by Satan. It is so
easy for him to fool you.

Satan hates God, and he hates us with a passion
that cannot be matched.

He is the most powerful being that God could
create by fiat.

He wants you to dismiss him. He wants you to
laugh at those who say that he exists.

He wants you to assist him in robbing you of
your opportunity of eternal life.
And I have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage.

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candle2
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Message 3782 of 3828 (919164)
07-01-2024 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3780 by Zucadragon
06-30-2024 5:05 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, Satan is called a dragon, He is referred to as
the Great Red Dragon. It would not be far fetched to
refer to one of his followers as a "little green dragon."
I have watched all the videos long before you posted
them. I have watched them for several years.
They tell and show us how they do certain tricks in an
attempt to have us believe that there is a natural way to
perform all tricks.
They even show us how they do small scale versions of
much bigger and more complicated versions, which
require supernatural assistance.
I have shown you where several magicians have admitted
to using supernatural help.
There are several videos on YouTube about Kristian Jyoti.
I have yet to see how he does some of the things that he
does.
Most intriguing is him spinning his little levitating ball. He
also stands sticks at a 45 degree angle.
One more thing: In many of these magic card tricks it is
impossible to see the magician manipulate the cards
into place.
No matter how much one slows it down or stops it.
The card(s) simply appear in his hand.
Demons can travel through dimensions. They can also
manipulate the dimensions. They are much more
powerful than us.
Just one angel killed 185 000 assyrians in one night.
Isaiah 36:37.
Without God to stop him, the least powerful of all demons
could kill everyone of us.
They want us to believe that Jesus was just a magician.
But, they do not want us know they exist.
They work with those who want fame, fortune, and power
more than anything else.

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candle2
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Message 3783 of 3828 (919165)
07-01-2024 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3781 by Taq
07-01-2024 3:55 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Taq, you wrote:
"Are you also convinced that Santa Claus exists because
you saw him in a movie? I don't think you can tell the
difference between reality and fiction."
Santa Claus is based on the Roman bishop St. Nicholas.
I don't celebrate Christmas. It is a pagan holiday. The
RCC added it to their doctrine in order to gain pagan
converts.
I won't go into it, but there are a number of reasons that
I don't observe it.
However, I did for more than 30 years.
Don't get me wrong. To observe Christmas is not an
unforgivable sin. However, once one comes to see it as
it is, God expects that individual to refrain from it.

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candle2
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Message 3784 of 3828 (919166)
07-01-2024 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3780 by Zucadragon
06-30-2024 5:05 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, Satan has his claws into everything. He has
invaded religion, and has his ministers in many churches.
Look at these two videos:
"Televangelists transvestigation part 1" & 2.

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AZPaul3
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Message 3785 of 3828 (919168)
07-01-2024 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3784 by candle2
07-01-2024 5:55 PM


60-watt
Satan has his claws into everything.
Again the demons, gods, satans, are all creatures of your own mind. They exist no where in reality except as conjures of your injured little brain. Your specific mental poison is from Christian. Whether it was beaten into your soul or you found it in the ancient tales as you read them looking for answers, you profess a belief that these things exist and they control your destiny. This is a mental defect.
Your angels and demons are not real and do not exist outside your head. Your inability, especially in this information-laden world, to distinguish between reality and this high level of fantasy is indicative of pronounced mental processing deficiencies.
From what you present, my opinion is that your intellectual abilities fall well below the population median. Whether these defects come from your genetics or from when you were bounced on your head as a kid doesn’t matter at this point. The defects are manifest and here you are trying to spread falsehoods with more religious poison.
In this 120-watt world there are those with only a 60-watt bulb to operate with. You appear to be one of them.
This is why I grieve for you. In this wonderful universe with all there is to know of reality, to feel of life and knowledge, as a religious mental-defective, you are missing so much. I feel helpless that you go through this, your one and only experience at existence, so blind and stupid.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Zucadragon
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From: Netherlands
Joined: 06-28-2006


Message 3786 of 3828 (919169)
07-02-2024 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 3782 by candle2
07-01-2024 5:37 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Oh my jeebus, you're missing the point, there are no dragons. I'm not sitting behind a keyboard tapping my claws on the keys.
And you must not have watched the videos quite well enough, also it feels like a lie to say "All the videos" when you tend to not respond to them.
More bla bla about demons and stuff. But alright, finally, you give an example.
Kristian Jyoti's levitating ball trick, you want to focus on that one? We can dissect it together and I can show you.
At one point in this video: around the 1 minute marks, he's (levitating) that small ball right? Would you agree that he's doing that?
I want to see if you understand the trick he's doing with that little ball, we can look at the rest afterwards, let's focus on the levitating small ball.
Would you say he's levitating it? And more specifically, is this demonic power?

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candle2
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Message 3787 of 3828 (919170)
07-02-2024 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 3786 by Zucadragon
07-02-2024 2:32 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, you wrote:
"Oh my jeebus, you're missing the point, there are no dragons.
I'm not sitting behind a keyboard tapping my claws on the keys."
***Come on, get real. That was done in humor.
You need to learn to laugh. Check out these two videos
on Youtube.
"Donkey laughs at dog"
"Black man on treadmill AFV"
As I have already, slow down the videos and the cards
just materialize out of nowhere
I am no longer going to beat this dead horse.
You can believe that Satan exists or not. God gave us
free will. It is up to each of us as to how we exercise it.

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candle2
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Posts: 892
Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 3788 of 3828 (919171)
07-02-2024 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 3785 by AZPaul3
07-01-2024 8:21 PM


Re: 60-watt
AZPaul, you wrote:
"Again the demons, gods, satans, are all creatures of
your own mind. They exist no where in reality except as
conjures of your injured little brain."
***Unless you know 100% of all there is to know about
the universe, you cannot state this as fact.
The same is true if you only know 75%, 50%, 25%, 10%,
or even 1%.
You are free to think what you want, but what you think
has no bearing on whether God exists or not.

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Percy
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From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 7.1


Message 3789 of 3828 (919172)
07-02-2024 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3787 by candle2
07-02-2024 8:12 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
candle2 writes in Message 3787:
Zucadragon writes in Message 3786:
"Oh my jeebus, you're missing the point, there are no dragons. I'm not sitting behind a keyboard tapping my claws on the keys."
Come on, get real. That was done in humor.
Given your history, there is no utterance so idiotic that we wouldn't believe you made it in all seriousness. You haven't demonstrated that you possess much in the areas of acumen, intellect, perception, understanding and certainly not wit. You believe in demons, demon-assisted magic, you can't even compose a normal-looking message, and you are certainly unable to engage in anything resembling discussion. All your messages are the same. At the top you briefly address one thing from the message you're replying to, and after that you're into preaching mode.
--Percy

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Zucadragon
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Posts: 142
From: Netherlands
Joined: 06-28-2006


Message 3790 of 3828 (919173)
07-02-2024 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 3787 by candle2
07-02-2024 8:12 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
No no, you won't commit because you're afraid I'll make a fool out of you. I pointed out a video of a Kristian Jyoti's levitating ball magical act.
One of the things YOU pointed out. So is that demon magic what you see in that video or isn't it?
It's an easy question, it's just affirming what you already said.

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candle2
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Message 3791 of 3828 (919174)
07-02-2024 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3789 by Percy
07-02-2024 8:50 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Percy, slow down the magic tricks, and see for yourself.
I realize that you are super intelligent and will do just that.
Or, have you already done so.
Have you seen all the evidence concerning transgenderism
in those who are rich and famous?
Do you believe those who say that they sold their lives to
Satan?
There should be enough evidence for anyone to seriously
consider that we share our world with powerful forces.
Why are all the elite transgender?
Everybody has been raised up with evolution being force
fed to us. To deny it can lead to a failing grade in school.
Our universities used to be institutions where people
shared ideas and viewpoints. Now they are nothing
more than indoctrination centers.
Your little feelings get hurt because I don't acquiesce
to the prevailing worldview.
There are two ways to look at these magicians. Either
they do it all on their own, or they have help.
Zucadrago and I will disagree on this. We are not going
to change our minds. This is why I stated that we are
beating a dead horse.
His view on this is the accepted way. I merely stated a
differing point of view.
I cannot get past the fact that cards just appear in a
magicians hand. Regardless of how much I slow
it down.
If the rich and famous have sold themselves, then this
would include the famous magicians.
You accuse me of being idiotic; yet, you are the one
without answers.
I have slowed these tricks down. This is why I am
certain of what I state.
As right now I am texting on a phone that does not allow
me to do so.
Now look at his message and reflect on him thinking
that I actually thought he was a dragon typing with his
claws.
He actually thought that he had to tell me that there
are no dragons. This is the 21st Century.

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Zucadragon
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Posts: 142
From: Netherlands
Joined: 06-28-2006


Message 3792 of 3828 (919175)
07-02-2024 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3791 by candle2
07-02-2024 9:50 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
You seem to be very gullible, I mean, you believe it when people say they're using so called demon magic even though it doesn't exist. It's a small stretch towards having to clarify I'm not actually a dragon, your view of reality is pretty askew after all.
And it's not about differing points of view with me really, I've asked you like 6 times to provide a VIDEO of something you say is Demon Magic.
And then the moment you actually post an example, at least the name of someone you consider uses demon magic, and what he does (levitate balls) I show a video that shows that dude doing just that.
And then I have to repeatedly ask you if this is an example of demon magic. But you ignore those requests, you talk about other shit.
The fact is, you're either a coward or you're willfully ignorant. You don't actually want to be challenged because your view of the world and magical bullshit is so fragile, the only thing you can do is deflect and ignore.
You now say something about cards appearing, they don't just appear, but you're not open to learning about how that's done either.
The only dead horse is your deflection, the only dead horse is your inability to engage in honest discussion and your ability to stick to a topic.
You accuse me of being idiotic; yet, you are the one
without answers.
Now you're just lying, you know, I keep trying to clarify the most simple of aspects of your arguments, and the only thing you do is wriggle and worm your way to something else.
There's plenty of answers, good answers, detailed answers, but you don't wanna hear them. Why are you even here?

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dwise1
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Message 3793 of 3828 (919177)
07-02-2024 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 3791 by candle2
07-02-2024 9:50 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
I cannot get past the fact that cards just appear in a
magicians hand. Regardless of how much I slow
it down.
You fucking idiot! The magician wants you to concentrate on his hand to divert your attention away from how he's actually doing the trick. That is why you need a team to have any hope of figuring out a magic trick; you need more than one set of eyes focused on multiple points.
Refer again (though you obviously didn't read it the first time, as usual) Zucadragon's Message 3714 (and since you will not bother to go back and read it despite my having provided you with a LINK to it):
Zucadragon writes in Message 3714:
This reminds me of a simple magic trick I bought and learned to do about pfff, 12 years ago or something, I was at the airport, and this guy opened a packet of chips and before my eyes, one chip just started floating up out of the packet and right to his mouth. His hand was holding the packet though and his other hand wasn't anywhere closeby to somehow hold a string or anything like this.

I was mesmerized, I thought "Woah, magic" and this guy was selling a guide on how to do this.

I bought this guide, but the trick was a lot simpler than I could've imagined, because the guide game with a bundle of string that if you pulled one single thread away from it, it was invisible to the eye, that's how thing it was. And instead of just holding that string with your hand, you instead pulled it over your head and you could attack it anywhere with some movements freedom, be it a hand or even your foot.

Sitting there, he was shifting his foot forward, which tugged the string along his back, over his head and tugged that chip up which he had previously with a tiny drop of edible, see through gum.

He would make a show of it too, bringing both hands around the chip, moving it like he was going all the way over and around, but he was carefully avoiding the string, but to any onlooker, it looked like he was showing off that there was no string.

But yeah, it was a simple trick, and with those strings in my possession, I showed it off to a few friends after I had practiced, they were amazed, but I have to admit, it also felt a bit like a let down to me, because it wasn't actually magic. It was just a trick with a string that was invisible to the eye.
The magician drew Zucadragon's full attention to his hands so that he couldn't see what his foot was doing (like my Lindy teacher explaining why a famous dancer suddenly used jazz hands during his version of the Shim Sham: he had messed up on his footwork, so the jazz hands was to draw our attention away from his feet).
And of course it doesn't help us that a lot of tricks depend on careful preparation and setup where and when we cannot see it, as well as actions preformed out of our sight (there have been several videos on Facebook of magic tricks being performed with the camera placed behind the magician showing us what the audience cannot see.
Also, slowing down a video won't show everything. Videos are not continuous, but rather are a series of still images ("frames") displayed one after another: a frame rate of about 24 frames per second simulates motion but that frame rate needs to be doubled to eliminate flicker (that's why the old movies were called "flicks", from which Netflix gets its name). Even if you were to view a video one frame at a time, there are intervals of time between each frame which are not recorded.
Instead of fooling yourself by trying to "analyze" those videos entirely on your own, collaborate with someone who has had some magician training. He would be able to explain to you what you are seeing and how it's done.
But in your willful ignorance, you are making the same mistake as those who take to reading the Bible all on their own, leading them to atheism. Though in the case of becoming an atheist by reading the Bible, the end result was correct even though the reasoning was faulty.

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dwise1
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Message 3794 of 3828 (919178)
07-02-2024 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 3779 by candle2
06-30-2024 2:03 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
If you believe that all these famous women were born
female, and that the men were all born male, please say
so.
You fucking deceiving piece of shit! You're trying to pull the same dishonest and willfully deceitful trick of rephrasing to your opposition as making an absolute universal statement which is impossible to prove. We recently saw "Lyin' Ted Cruz" pull it when a journalist challenged his flagrantly false claim of widespread voter fraud so Cruz challenged her to prove that there had been no voter fraud: we did find a small number of instances of voter fraud, all of which turned out to be MAGAts committing deliberate fraud in order to vote for Trump twice.
YOU are claiming that all of them are transgendered, which is completely and utter insane bullshit! I most definitely do not agree with your claim of widespread transgendering because I am not a gullible idiot LIKE YOU ARE!
 
But I'm willing to overlook that in order to make you a very generous offer.
Have you ever heard of the Brooklyn Bridge? Well, I can sell that bridge to you. Normally, my offer is for $500, but for you I'm offering it for a special price: $1000 (one thousand dollars). You are the perfect customer for this deal. Better move fast on this deal of a lifetime.
BTW, Ihave to warn you that Trump will also offer to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, but don't be fooled. He does not own that bridge.

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Zucadragon
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Posts: 142
From: Netherlands
Joined: 06-28-2006


Message 3795 of 3828 (919179)
07-02-2024 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3793 by dwise1
07-02-2024 1:10 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Also, slowing down a video won't show everything. Videos are continuous, but rather are a series of still images ("frames") displayed one after another: a frame rate of about 24 frames per second simulates motion but that frame rate needs to be doubled to eliminate flicker (that's why the old movies were called "flicks", from which Netflix gets its name). Even if you were to view a video one frame at a time, there are intervals of time between each frame which are not recorded.
I was going to make a point of this earlier but decided against it because it seems above Candle2's ability to understand such things. When a magician has spent many years learning how to do very quick, very specific moves, it's way faster than a camera can record and in some cases, much faster than our own vision can take note of it because there's a lot of other movement going on as well.
Magicians are very good at redirecting your view when you're there at a show, to make sure you're not seeing the little actions and movements that perform the actual trick.
And on camera, that's actually a lot easier, because they have total control over what's being viewed by it and can trick things more easily, way more easily.

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