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Author Topic:   Is ID falsifiable by any kind of experiment?
MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 166 of 507 (904441)
12-30-2022 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by nwr
12-27-2022 12:40 PM


Re: Merry Trollmas
I can share the new model, to those who are really serious in science.

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Message 167 of 507 (904442)
12-30-2022 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by vimesey
12-30-2022 4:10 AM


That was an old video. I improved a lot and now AronRa was very afraid of me. WHY? Click below:
Amazon.com

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Message 173 of 507 (904452)
12-30-2022 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Tangle
12-30-2022 6:56 AM


Remember that I had been debating the followers of Evolution for many years. And the best way of revenge to them is to buy my science books and give negative reviews. Anybody can do that.
But a real critic of science will surely must know the topic, the basis and the explanation - and fight model vs model. In my case, the topic of intelligence, that all of critics that have no idea with.
That is why, I am still the winner.

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Message 174 of 507 (904455)
12-30-2022 10:01 AM
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12-30-2022 8:44 AM


There comes a point where continuing discussions with people who are obviously 'not quite right' is abuse
Yeah, supporters of Evolution are not correct and right. How could they explain reality in biological world without knowing unguided to guided X? They are asking me to use tell, well, know first, then tell here or write science book and give us the link.
Thus, Evolution had made them stupid.

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Message 175 of 507 (904457)
12-30-2022 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by vimesey
12-30-2022 6:57 AM


No, he's not. He will feel the same about you that we all do, which is a strong degree of concern as to your mental wellbeing.

As I've said before Edgar, seek professional help. It will do you the world of good.
AronRa is very afraid of me intellectually. I had been calling him in Atheist Experience to fight me in science, since I told him that I wrote a book for his Phylogeny Challenge, but he was very afraid.
Do you wanna help him?
I think that you should go to mental hospital for you cannot define and explain the topic of intelligence. You went to schools too, right?

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 182 of 507 (904490)
12-30-2022 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by ringo
12-30-2022 11:13 AM


You have been asked many times, how do YOU tell the difference between guided and unguided. What is the answer?
Lol! So, you are asking me the differences between
guided X to
un-guided X?
That was the claim of TAQ, since he concluded that in the experiment that he had been sharing through links, he and the other scientists had concluded that the change was not guided.
But you are asking me to answer my own question, because you cannot asnwer it?
Can you answer it or not?

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 183 of 507 (904491)
12-30-2022 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by ringo
12-30-2022 11:15 AM


I gave you a simple definition: Intelligence is the ability to learn. Go ahead and tell us what is wrong with that definition.
Good.
It is wrong since it cannot answer a real scientific question in biology, like:
Is biological cell intelligently designed or not?
WHICH means, that the definition above that you had given is not scientific, not even realistic, but just freely invented by someone who was ignorant of reality and ignorant of science, without any basis from reality.
FREEDOM is good, but we are not free to make our own reality, since that is fantasy.

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 185 of 507 (904493)
12-30-2022 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Taq
12-30-2022 10:42 AM


Re: Merry Trollmas
False. It is evidence. It includes OBSERVATIONS!!!! You continue to avoid the evidence, as expected.

I also explained how we know that mutations aren't guided. Here it is again:

"For example, in the plate replica experiment we see that mutations that confer antibiotic resistance are not triggered by the presence of antibiotics. Instead, there are random mutations changing DNA without guidance, and some of those mutations just happen to produce antibiotic resistance."

If mutations were guided then nearly all of the mutations in the experiment would confer antibiotic resistance once the bacteria are exposed to antibiotics, but that's not what happens. The mutations happen randomly with respect to fitness. In other words, mutations are blind to the needs of the organism. That is what makes them unguided.
Once again, we have Scientific Method. In the links that you had given, they made/conducted an experiments and the
conclusion was that mutation, or simply, "change" was not guided. But how about the "control"? If you claimed guided X,
then, the "control" is unguided X, obviously. You must have both in experiment, or at least, you knew the two: guided X and
unguided X, beforehand. If you cannot provide the two, then, you are not following the Scientific Method.
Thus, you are violating science, thus, wrong. It is so simple, right?
So, the correct question would be: how do you tell/know between guided X to unguided X?
That's the entire point of science. You follow the evidence to a conclusion, and throw away the conclusions that aren't supported by evidence. You are the one who doesn't understand how science works. You seem to think science is just believing whatever you want to. That's not how it works.
You cannot have the correct conclusion if you do not have the correct experiment.
Evolution has answered that question. I have been giving you those answers for multiple posts now.

Please, use you intellectual mind, you too studied in schools, right? Then, use your mind.

Follow your own advice.
I do use my educational and intellectual mind, thus, I cannot accept your explanations since they are not part
of science. Thus, let us agree to something: do you have the dividing line or any lines between guided X to unguided X?
Please, be honest as professional.
For example, what is a freq allele or a frequency allele? Why can't you answer that question?
I am just making fun of supporters of Evolution since most of them are not good in details.
I had been talking with other people in many online forums, you are the fist one who noticed that,
meaning, that 98% of supporters of Evolution are really not good in details.
DETAIL IS POWER.

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 186 of 507 (904494)
12-30-2022 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by AZPaul3
12-30-2022 8:57 PM


Post withdrawn.

The stupid has become too much.
LOL!!!
Before you deleted them, I had already read them! LOL!
Wait for my reply since you are very desperate since Evolution did not provide you answer to my simple question.
Oh my... I really pity those supporters of Evolution...

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Message 197 of 507 (904997)
01-13-2023 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Taq
01-04-2023 4:12 PM


Next two weeks, I will be sending a FALSIFICATION ARTICLE for Evolution Theory.
I know reality well, and Evolution is a fantasy.

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Message 198 of 507 (904998)
01-13-2023 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by dwise1
01-04-2023 12:21 PM


I had been calling AronRa in Atheist Experience to read my rebuttal to his Phylogeny Challenge. Also, in the The Non-Sequitor Show. His friend, Jackson Wheat, I also told him to ask AronRa not to be coward and intellectually fight me. But, either in video or articles, AronRa could never rebut me.
If you meet him, tell him that MrID wants you to rebut his book for AronRa, and do not be coward.

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Message 199 of 507 (904999)
01-13-2023 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Taq
01-03-2023 11:31 AM


Re: Merry Trollmas
If the mutations are guided, then the mutations would occur when the bacteria are exposed to antibiotics. In other words, guided mutations are those that are specifically produced in response to the specific needs of the organism.

For the Lederberg experiment, the control was indirect selection.

Here is a basic rundown of the method:
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Is Evolution guided or not?
Is Evolution directed or not?
If guided or directed how come a mindless nature could guide or direct? What have you done to know that?
You cannot simply move the goal post every time. You must stand in one goal post and do not move!

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 201 of 507 (905001)
01-13-2023 9:13 PM
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01-13-2023 8:02 PM


WHAT?? Actually, AronRa replied in my comments in his YouTube video that linked here!

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 203 of 507 (905004)
01-14-2023 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by AZPaul3
01-13-2023 9:55 PM


Re: Merry Trollmas
Yes, evolution is directed. It is guided.

The genomic mutations are random. There is no way to tell what any mutation will do. The part you miss is the environment. The environment is the guide to whether any specific mutation is beneficial, neutral or harmful and whether the mutation spreads in the population or dies out. That determines how populations evolve.

The guiding light for the environment is physics, chemistry. They draw the map evolution follows. And the goal of this guided process is directed toward reproduction.
These are the reasons why Evolution Theory is wrong.

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 205 of 507 (905007)
01-14-2023 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by AZPaul3
01-14-2023 12:50 AM


Re: Merry Trollmas
Can you check them in reality?

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