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Message 377 of 507 (908218)
03-09-2023 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by sensei
03-09-2023 12:57 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
You evolutionists seem to be doing it all the time here, claiming that the model is correct without doubt,
It isn't our fault that you misconstrue what we are saying.

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Message 379 of 507 (908220)
03-09-2023 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by sensei
03-09-2023 12:49 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Wrong. I reject your conclusions. Not the method of using models and predictions as one of the tools.
You can't seem to find any scientific reasons for rejecting our conclusions.
Not the method of using models and predictions as one of the tools.
You do reject those methods. You claim that finding a match between observations and predictions is "bad logic".

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Message 381 of 507 (908227)
03-09-2023 1:11 PM
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03-09-2023 1:08 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Wrong again. Your claim that a good fit means that the model is the best, that is poor logic.
The best fit means the model is the best we have. How is that poor logic? Do you think the worst fitting model is the best model in science?
That means that I understand the methods and their strength and weaknesses, while you just make poor claims about them.
What poor claims?

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Message 385 of 507 (908242)
03-09-2023 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by sensei
03-09-2023 3:29 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
If you only said that for the specified set of data, this hypothesis gives the best fit, then that would be fine. But you go further and claim that evolution universal common ancestry is a certainty.
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Common ancestry is as certain as germs causing disease, both of which are scientific conclusions based on mountains of evidence.
That is not science.
You reject science.

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Message 389 of 507 (908251)
03-09-2023 3:45 PM
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03-09-2023 3:42 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Quite the opposite. Evidence for common ancestry is very weak.
Really? This is what you said about the evidence I posted in the "Mutations Confirm Common Descent" thread:
"It seems like a good argument for common ancestry of primates, ngl. Though I haven't looked at all of your sources yet, you made a convincing argument."
There are many, many more examples of evidence that support common ancestry.

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Message 410 of 507 (908537)
03-16-2023 11:04 AM
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03-15-2023 7:54 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Finding a tree pattern does not prove relationship even.
Finding a tree pattern is exactly what we should see if life is related. We see a tree pattern. Therefore, that tree pattern is one of many pieces of evidence for relatedness.
Can you please show me the flaw in this logic?

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Message 412 of 507 (908558)
03-16-2023 6:24 PM
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03-16-2023 6:08 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
It does not prove relationship, period!
Why doesn't it prove beyond a reasonable doubt that life is related?

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Message 415 of 507 (908564)
03-16-2023 6:34 PM
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03-16-2023 6:32 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
There are things that show tree patterns, but these things have not evolved by cumulating small and random changes.
Where is the evidence for this claim?
So logic dictates that pattern does not prove evolution at all. I know you rather want to ignore logic and hold on to your false belief. But that is not how I roll.
All you have is a claim without evidence. Your logic fails.

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Message 422 of 507 (908580)
03-16-2023 6:51 PM
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03-16-2023 6:50 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Your ignorance and poor understanding of my evidence have been noted.
What evidence is that?

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Message 426 of 507 (908617)
03-17-2023 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 425 by Dredge
03-17-2023 1:50 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Dredge writes:
Common descent is best scientific explanation, but the truth could be quite different and beyond scientific explanation. We'll never know the truth.
Thank you for confirming that you couldn't care less what the evidence is.

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Message 431 of 507 (908754)
03-20-2023 10:42 AM
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03-18-2023 10:58 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Dredge writes:
It's not my fault that the truth can never be known.
Evidence can be known.

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Message 436 of 507 (908925)
03-23-2023 3:55 PM
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03-23-2023 1:54 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Dredge writes:
Consider an object in a sealed box. Evidence can be gathered as to what the object might be, but without opening the box, the truth of what the object actually is can never be known.
For evolution, we have already opened the box. We have the genomes of living species, and they contain a direct record of their ancestry.

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Message 438 of 507 (908931)
03-23-2023 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Dredge
03-23-2023 5:43 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Dredge writes:
You have the best scientific explanation. Big deal. That ain't necessarily the truth ...
So your retort is "It could be MAGIC!!"?
Pigeon chess.

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