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Rahvin
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Message 14 of 188 (904306)
12-26-2022 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by marc9000
12-26-2022 9:45 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
So let me get this straight.
You apparently agree on some basic facts:
- scientists note that the average temperature of the Earth is rising. This is projected to eventually cause massive ecological disaster, including increasing the frequency and severity of extreme weather events, concentrated areas of drought and floods, superstorms, and other not-good things for life on Earth in general, and human society specifically.
- scientists talk about global warming, trying to warn the population while there is still time to change course. A shift away from the fossil fuels and similar measures are needed to stop the increased concentration of greenhouse gasses and keep the climate relatively unchanged. This was noticed many decades before it would be too late.
- "global warming" enters the common popular vernacular. However, because the dramatic effects at this point were still in the future, and because of strong economic incentive to downplay it or pretend it didnt exist, people tended to disregard it.
- Conservatives, mostly led by the petrochemical companies that stand to lose profit as the world reduces reliance on fossil fuels, engage in full-throated denial which continues today.
- As time went on, scientists noted that "global warming" was not the best term, even though it's accurate at a global scale. It implies a uniform warming of the planet, which is not what actually happens. A shift to the term "climate change" begins.
- Now in late 2022, we are experiencing more frequent and more extreme weather events, as predicted by climate change.
You are now asserting that somehow Democrats are to blame for inaction on climate change, because they said it was going to get warmer and the Midwest is currently facing a very cold extreme weather event, as predicted all along? Because of the "global warming" term?
Do I have that right? The Democrats, for all their many flaws, who have been at least talking about climate change and moving away from fossil fuels, the things that would actually help mitigate these extreme weather events, are the ones responsible for a Midwest blizzard? Not the Republicans?
The Democrats are at fault for trying to turn off the doomsday device because the public was too stupid to listen past the two-word name they used for it, and the Republicans who were shooing away every attempt to disarm the doomsday device bear no mention?

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Message 94 of 188 (904904)
01-10-2023 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by marc9000
01-10-2023 9:21 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
quote:
This is where climate change alarmists always stop. They never specifically name solutions.
...are you kidding?
The primary mitigation against climate change is the move away from fossil fuels. Not just consumer vehicles, but power generation, freight, industrial use, etc.
The solution is wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear. Nuclear would have been better a decade or two ago; now, it takes so long to construct new nuclear plants that it's unlikely to help. Hydro power is similar, it takes a while to build dams. Wind and solar are the best current solutions, and there are technological advances being made that may play a significant role as well.
Reducing greenhouse emissions mitigates the greenhouse-related global average temperature increase.
And because it's already too late to prevent all of the effects of climate change, we need to evaluate natural disaster planning. 100-year storms are now going to happen a lot more often than 100 years. Levies need to be reinforced, in some cases raised. Areas that are currently above sea level need to start planning for the near future, when they will be below sea level.
I could go on. The US Dept of Defense has quite literally identified climate change as the biggest threat to US national security for years now, and has been planning accordingly. Tomorrow's wars will be fought over water resources. The US military has been planning to roll out electric Humvees (not actually Hummers, but same role) and tanks. Yes, electric tanks.
People have been literally screaming specific solutions for decades. Did you fall and hit your head?
But this is stuff that's talked about literally all the time.

“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

Nihil supernum


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