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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
This news in from Denver.
Denver Post: I stayed in all day and just slept. My heater doesn't work right and I need to buy a new one on Amazon.
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Taq Member Posts: 10297 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
The bomb cyclone missed me by just a few miles (12/23). It was still down into the teens, but 100-200 miles to the east it was -20.
Hoping everyone else in the path of this storm keeps warm and safe. Happy Holidays!! Edited by Taq, .
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
A few years ago, a guy I know went down to Los Angeles with some buddies of his. The first evening, they were walking around when they noticed that everybody seemed to be looking at them. Was it that obvious that they were Canadian?
It was. They finally realized that everybody but them was wearing a jacket. (In Canada, if there's no snow on the ground it's T-shirt weather. The other day, I saw a guy taking his garbage out wearing shorts and sandals.) It's a brisk -24 F here, supposed to shoot up to -18 F later today. But there isn't much wind. The talking heads who do the weather report are about 12 years old, so they're horrified.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
We had a fairly warm morning of -12F. It is -1F now.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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The storm didn't even get close to Phoenix. Absolutely beautiful weather.
Now, Friday 10 am, it is 45° crisp clear sunny gorgeous. Expect to hit highs into the low 70s on bright sunny Sat and Sun. This is what people come here for - absolutely gorgeous. And dry. Comfort levels through the roof.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.8 |
It's 25° and we're getting freezing rain. The ground and streets are coated with ice but it hasn't started accumulating on the trees and power lines yet, but when it does we'll probably lose power.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Born and raised in Southern California (just south of LA), I served for five years in the cold part of North Dakota -- Grand Forks AFB where arctic air masses would come down from Canada and sit on us (and on International Falls, MN). Needless to say, I got acclimated:
We who have lived through cold weather routinely know how to deal with it and to dress for it, plus being acclimated to it. Acclimation can take months if not a couple of years, so sudden out-of-the-norm cold weather would require dressing for it. Assuming that they even have the clothes, which they likely will not because they've never needed them before. There's also the houses. Most houses in Grand Forks were as close to cubes as they could get. That would minimize surface area to volume, which is important since the outside surface of the house is where you lose most of the heat. A traditional California design, the ranch-style house, which is a long sprawling single-story house, would be nearly impossible to keep heated. Storm windows or double-pane windows (or stapling plastic sheets over the windows) also help to reduce heat loss -- Florida also has storm windows, but they're panels of plywood to protect the windows in a hurricane. Another typical feature in ND buildings was the air lock. The entrances of every store or office building had two sets of doors so that the building interior would never be exposed to the outside. Even the houses had that feature with their enclosed front porches; in many, that would also serve as a mud porch where you could take off your boots and change into your house shoes. In the big cities, revolving doors serve the same purpose. And I seem to recall that Café Sperl in Vienna also had an air lock.
{ ABE:
Refer to the German Wikipedia page, Café Sperl. The second photo, „Innenansicht“ ("interior view"), shows the entrance from the inside. Click on that photo to enlarge it and you will see a glass-enclosed antechamber forming its airlock.
} BTW, if you eat breakfast there and you order the "French Toast" from the English menu, you will get something very different from what you expect (ie, not American French Toast, nor British eggy-toast, nor French pain perdu, nor German Arme Ritter), but rather literal slices of toast each with a slice of ham and Brie cheese (it's toast and it's French). My friend made that mistake.
Our units in base housing did not have airlocks, which I assume was because multiple bases used the same architectural plans which did not take such local needs into account. And my son's house in Dickenson also did not have airlocks, but then that was in the balmy part of the state. In addition, public utilities and services (eg, snow removal, emergency services, power grids) in cold regions have been designed for such temperature extremes unlike in warmer regions -- just look at how power in the entire state of Texas crumpled in the face of cold weather. The point of that is that regions and people being affected are just not ready for these conditions. Edited by dwise1, : ABE: confirmation of Cafe Sperl's airlock
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Recently, a representative of the School Board remarked that we NEVER have a snow day here. No matter how thoroughly they attempt to contact the parents, SOMEBODY is going to show up at the school, so there has to be somebody there to let them in.
Disclaimer: Once, when I was about 13, they did let us go home an hour or so early because a blizzard was on the way.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
This is what people come here for - absolutely gorgeous. And dry. Yes, it's a dry cold. But seriously, humidity makes a difference. We arrived in North Dakota in July -- standard joke: "There actually are four seasons in North Dakota: June, July, August, and Winter" (though we were about to learn that that's not a joke). We were also told that it would only snow in the beginning and end of winter and that during winter it would be too cold to snow (which also turned out to be true). Humidity in a ND winter is low. Cold air cannot hold much water vapor. Then when you take that air inside and heat it, humidity drops even more -- a common attachment to furnaces is a humidifier to add humidity to the indoor air. My mother's mother lived near Peoria, Ill.. My mother told me that whenever she came out to visit for Christmas she would always complain about it being so cold in Southern California, even though it was a lot colder in Peoria. But our cold weather would come with rainy weather, so our cold would be a wet cold which felt worse, whereas Peoria had a drier cold which didn't feel as bad.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2338 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 8.0 |
same thing in northern Alberta where I grew up. Even in -40C the school would be open, so my siblings and I had to go.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.8 |
Where I grew up in Central Oregon, there was a myth (that every student knew) that 18 inches of snow would trigger a SNOW DAY. The only time we got a snow day was when the heating system at the high school was flooded.
Yesterday the roads were a solid sheet of ice and even emergency vehicles were mostly parked. Today we are melting and are getting liquid rain.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2
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I was born in Beverly, MA(across the harbor from Salem). Grew up in NE PA, just outside of Scranton. So have always experienced winter. In 1980 I came to the Midwest for college. Except for a 6 year stint in NC, I have been in the Duluth, MN/Superior, WI ever since. I now live just east of Superior, five miles from Lake Superior.
Needless to say we get cold and occasionally extensive lake effect snow. Nothing like the UP of MI or Buffalo, but a bit. We have over 2 feet on the ground. The coldest it has been so far is -17F. We will see close to if not -30F before spring. It is what it is. As I tell people, I would rather a few weeks below 0F than months of 100F+. I can always put on more clothes and create heat. I can only get so naked and cannot easily create cool. Heat is much less expensive to create than cold. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1530 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Anytime there is a widespread occurrence of extreme heat or cold, human suffering and lack of preparation for it is common, often because the weather event happens quickly without much warning. That could have been true this time in places like Buffalo NY, I'm not sure, but this time it wasn't true in midwestern U.S. The meteorologists saw this coming about a week in advance, and plenty of weather forecasts both locally and nationally provided warnings about it. News reports over the past weekend and undoubtedly through this week will show countless examples of needless suffering, deaths, and monetary costs, from things like unnecessary travel, flooded buildings from burst water pipes, power outages, etc.
Why wasn't the midwest better prepared? Could it be that the drumbeat of global warming / climate change has at least subconsciously caused the public to somewhat discard the possibility of extreme cold? Climate change and global warming are supposedly two completely different things. But that's not how the general public sees it, and there's a reason for it. Here's how the nasa.gov website describes it;
quote: Whats in a Name? Global Warming vs. Climate Change | Precipitation Education This web page goes on to explain why, and most would consider it to be a good explanation, but some more cuts from their explanation show some human imperfection, that can easily be linked to politics.
quote: (bolded mine) It didn't "explode" only within the scientific community, it exploded throughout the popular media largely because it was a political scare tactic. And of course, it went along with Al Gore's political book, "Earth in the Balance".
quote: And Democrats and the mainstream media chose to emphasize global warming a few decades ago for political purposes, and they made a pretty abrupt switch to climate change, now using it for the exact same political purposes. So no matter how different the two terms are, the general public makes little distinction between them. And it's not their fault, it's the way the terms have been politically presented to them. So they are, at least subconsciously, if not consciously in some cases, not as likely to be prepared for, or take heed of, warnings of COLD weather. Both the public, and those in charge of public utilities and emergency services. I saw news footage of abandoned, snowed in cars being moved by forklifts, which seriously damages the undersides of $40,000 / $50,000 cars. Water pouring out of windows and doors of buildings with busted water pipes. What was the cost of this unpreparedness? Milllions? Billions? Democrats aren't to blame? Then call me tons of vulgar names, it'll be fun.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4064 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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So let me get this straight.
You apparently agree on some basic facts: - scientists note that the average temperature of the Earth is rising. This is projected to eventually cause massive ecological disaster, including increasing the frequency and severity of extreme weather events, concentrated areas of drought and floods, superstorms, and other not-good things for life on Earth in general, and human society specifically. - scientists talk about global warming, trying to warn the population while there is still time to change course. A shift away from the fossil fuels and similar measures are needed to stop the increased concentration of greenhouse gasses and keep the climate relatively unchanged. This was noticed many decades before it would be too late. - "global warming" enters the common popular vernacular. However, because the dramatic effects at this point were still in the future, and because of strong economic incentive to downplay it or pretend it didnt exist, people tended to disregard it. - Conservatives, mostly led by the petrochemical companies that stand to lose profit as the world reduces reliance on fossil fuels, engage in full-throated denial which continues today. - As time went on, scientists noted that "global warming" was not the best term, even though it's accurate at a global scale. It implies a uniform warming of the planet, which is not what actually happens. A shift to the term "climate change" begins. - Now in late 2022, we are experiencing more frequent and more extreme weather events, as predicted by climate change. You are now asserting that somehow Democrats are to blame for inaction on climate change, because they said it was going to get warmer and the Midwest is currently facing a very cold extreme weather event, as predicted all along? Because of the "global warming" term? Do I have that right? The Democrats, for all their many flaws, who have been at least talking about climate change and moving away from fossil fuels, the things that would actually help mitigate these extreme weather events, are the ones responsible for a Midwest blizzard? Not the Republicans? The Democrats are at fault for trying to turn off the doomsday device because the public was too stupid to listen past the two-word name they used for it, and the Republicans who were shooing away every attempt to disarm the doomsday device bear no mention?“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." Nihil supernum
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2
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Yup you are still an idiot
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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