2024 US Presidential Election

It was pretty terrible. I mean, Trump just lies and lies and lies, it would've been an easy debate to win if Biden wasn't collapsing on the inside, mentally. Sure they said he had a cold, but it was not a good performance.Technically he showed more substance than Trump, who couldn't stop from bragging about his previous presidency, simply lying about shit when he's challenged on anything... But that doesn't really matter when Biden a lot of the time, looked like he was breaking on the inside.

Here's my problem with Trump. Or a few of them at least. He's an asshole. Look at how campaigning works with him, it's kinda like seeing a popular high school bully in action.When he's campaigning against someone, be they Republican or Democrat, he'll do anything to make them seem like horrible people, he will degrade them, lie about them, make them out to be demons.But the moment he wins and he's on top, he demands worship, at that point, the Republicans specifically that lose to him in the primaries have to praise him as the one who will bring balance to the force.And if they don't, he will spend a lot of time doing the same thing as during his campaigns, call them traitors, liars, they need to go to jail, untrustworthy, get rid of them.He DEMANDS loyalty out of those under him, and if he doesn't get it, he's vindictive to a ludicrous degree.And like how a Creationist might Gish Gallop their way into the hearts of people by throwing down a barrage of bullshit that takes too long to refute, he does that with insults and lies and misinformation.Misinformation that makes his opponents look bad, misinformation that makes himself look like he's the Emperor of Mankind, or deserves to be called such.Is that the kind of man you feel deserves support, has he earned your support? I don't think so.And on many other things, he's clueless, he's childish in his approaches. One could easily argue that the shitshow going on Gaza is partially his doing, he gave Jerusalem to Israel in a sudden power move and Israel jumped at the opportunity. Do you think that made the situation there any better? I sure don't.He has a history of lying, vehemently, of forever doubling down on his lies, calling others liars, of being vindictive, of ruining anyone who stands in his way or trying to at least.I just randomly looked up a narcissist bingo card, let's count how many of these apply to him, these aren't even specific to him, this is narcissism to a tee: I think he ticks all of those boxes, literally all of them.Try doing that with any other president, even Republican presidents of the past, and you'll find that they may tick a few boxes, but not literally all of them.Phat, if you don't believe me, look up any list online that describe narcissism and what the traits of it are, and all over, you'll find that he fits the bill perfectly.Is that the kind of man that deserves to be President?Let's look at the bottom left one for instance "Extremely toxic, hides behind 'perfect person' mask"I can name times where he's done exactly that, according to him, his doctors describe him as the most healthy person they've ever seen.When he supposedly got Covid, he described that the doctor's were surprised because no-one has ever recovered so quickly from it.I could go on and on.

Awww man, I'd really like you to respond to my post. I made a very clear point on how Trump is a narcissistic asshole. I'd love to see your take on that.

My point is that anyone is better than Trump. Really, you could grab some random bloke off the street with absolutely no knowledge of anything, and they'd be better than Trump. Why?Because Trump is a narcissistic asshole. He's the worst of his kind. Even if Biden fails in a cognitive sense, no matter who replaces him, would be better than Trump.I would go with the random throw of the dice for a random person, because I've never seen anyone who is as narcissistic as Trump. To the rest of the world, Trump is a joke character, a caricature.I of course don't live in the US, so that's easy talk, we have a much more democratic way of ruling here in the Netherlands. But still, name one person that's as much as a narcissist as Trump, and if you settle on Putin or Kim Jong-Un. That should give you a good sense of the possible dictatorship you're in for if Trump becomes president.

Ooooh enjoy, have a great time, I hope the weather won't be too hot!

You can hope, but really, it's a luck of the draw.

Various plans to strengthen the middle class, lowering food prices, lowering housing prices and rent. lowering taxes specifically on the middle class and working on lowering healthcare prices.That last one has actually partially been accomplished under Biden's control already, with various medications lowering prices by a large amount.Increasing tax credit for children to support parents.A federal ban on price gouging for medicine and food cost.Now you may say, but hey, that's going to cost a lot of money and Harris hasn't explained how she's going to pay for it. But that's a specific plan choice, if she says she's going to take it out of the rich, remove tax cuts for the rich or big corporations.Well, we know what Trump is going to run on at that point.Estimates are at 1.6 trillion dollars. But remember, this is in stark contrast to Trumps tax cuts for the rich which he was going to pay for with tariffs, you know, the same thing he's saying now, increasing tariffs. What will that do you think?So yeah, that's the plans so far. The platform is empowering the middle class in many ways so their cost of living and healthcare goes down and allows them more freedom to spend money.

Much appreciated, and nope, I'm Dutch, though I do generally feel I'm pretty good at English, I also know I have some limits for sure, it's generally all done by feeling and not so much out of a clear understanding of grammar and sentence structure. Thank you for the corrections!

Well, you can't have both, the youth are generally more feeling-oriented. And Trump is quite the failed businessman, he cons other businesses, abuses the rules, all out of greed and a sense of entitlement that makes everything a one way street for him.Have you never felt "Huh, that's odd" when the stock markets are doing well and he proclaims it's because the market is responding to the sheer possibility that he'll become president soon.Only for the stock market to go down and have him blame that on Biden.If you really like him, tell me one significant thing that he's taken responsibility for in his presidency, I'm talking mistakes here, there's plenty, name one thing where he clearly stated that he was wrong and he'll have to do better in the future or some variation of that.Man, that question can probably be applied to his life in general. He always shifts the blame, he never takes responsibility.On a secondary note, have you seen the absolutely unhinged fundraising mails his campaign has been sending out? Talk about feeling-oriented. They're crazy weird, but they're doing it because they're pretending to show feeling.From the mails telling you Trump loves you and wants your support, to talking about guillotines, the so called dem pocalypse, or how democrats want him dead. It's pretty unhinged, so you can't say they're not being feeling-oriented when something like that is going on.

What has Trump done that showed you he does know about economics? I mean, let's forget for a moment his history of bankruptcy, increasing the debt by a stellar amount, all kinds of other things.What has Trump done to make you feel he does understand economics?

Well, I'd like for Phat to say that then. I do feel there's a lot of ganging up on him going on. If that were to happen to me, I'd prolly be like 'fuck this!', I got better things to do than that. But yet, here he is, so yeah, he's got that going! I remember always liking him way back when I was here in the past.Though he has changed a bunch, it feels. Grown more extreme in his views.

Alright, and I've seen that as well, but you guys also know that telling a person they're stupid, ridiculous, bad in so many ways isn't going to help out with that. I don't quite remember who posted it, but it was a whole thing about how Jehovah's witnesses and how them going door to door isn't about converting lost souls.It's about cementing again and again that there's two sides, and one side hates the other. I know you guys don't hate him, and there's definitely grievances and some pretty bad arguments coming from him that he hasn't defended in the slightest.But I see post after post of vitriol and that's really not going to do anything good, it's not going to convince him. I mean, I've joined into the dogpile, but that just creates a larger us versus him scenario, and that just fuels the disconnect.Hence why I just want to tone down on that, I'd prefer getting into a great debate one on one with him and just hashing out details instead, see instead if I can get to the core of why he feels and thinks the way he does.

I don't mind calling out someones stupidity, that's not really the point here. Like I said, I'm against the vitriol. This is a place to discuss things, differing points of view. But it does need to have a direction. If the direction is, be as harsh as possible, what is the goal there?What are you trying to accomplish with that, seeing as it's only going to get you more resistance and it'll be a back and forth, digging him deeper into his views. So at that point, why even bother?Also, I'll let him tell me if he wants a debate or not. I've never done a great debate and I actually think he'd be up for it, it'd be a nicer way to deal with one point at a time, instead of the chaos that's been going on here lately. But that's for him to accept or not.Again, I'm not saying I disagree with the substance of all that's been said, just the way it's been said.

Watching his speech in Pennsylvania and the unhinged things he's saying are just amazing. Like holy hell, let me just share a direct quote."You know I do the weave, you know what the weave is? I talk about 9 different things and they all come back brilliantly together""And like friends of mine, they are like English professors, they say, it's the most brilliant thing I've ever seen""But the fake news, you know what they say, he rambled. that's not rambling. What you have, what you do is you get off a subject, you mention another little tidbit, then you get back onto the subject, and you go through this and you do it for 2 hours, and you don't even mispronounce one word"He's falling apart, right after saying he gets back onto topic, he doesn't, he just keeps on rambling, later on he talks about crowd sizes again. A speech that should have been about the economy and his plans, turns into a huge rant about how he's not treated well, the fake news, how he is the greatest.Like, I do not understand how someone can listen to this and think... That's our future president.It's just pure narcissism every single time he talks.

It would be pretty great if they did that. Right now, Trump is doing a great job of tanking himself, so why intervene? I remember when Trump was 100% certain he'd win against an opponent in the primaries and so he wouldn't go on debates and stuff, because just being quiet meant he'd win, easily.But now, he has to, and he's complaining that Harris isn't answering questions, or not doing interviews but really, why would she at this point? The debate is coming up and the longer she stays silent, the more Trump hurts himself.The debate is still a bit of an issue though, I do feel Harris is a pretty stiff person when it comes to answering questions, but she has a great opportunity to smash down Trump like he did with Biden before. The opportunity of a lifetime, so to speak.