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Message 862 of 1639 (917679)
04-13-2024 2:52 AM
Reply to: Message 859 by marc9000
04-09-2024 5:10 PM


Percy and Minnemooseus are NOT the same person
The overturning of Roe vs Wade was the crowning blow, in regards to my feelings about the Republican party and Donald Trump.
The Republican party is a gang of deplorables, or worse. And "deplorable" is by far an inadequate descriptor of Donald Trump.
The best of the Republicans are pretty much the "rather quit than fight" gang. It says something, when Liz Cheney is the shining light of Republican sensibility.
Donald Trump is a psychotic narcissistic nuclear grade flaming asshole. The only reason I can have any sympathy for him, is that he is suffering from significant mental illness.
Now, Donald Trump is beyond deplorable. What does that make anyone who supports him?
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Message 871 of 1639 (917826)
04-18-2024 2:34 AM
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04-17-2024 4:49 PM


Re: What insurrection?
Even the New York Post and the Washington Times, which were not included at your link:
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Message 1057 of 1639 (919091)
06-22-2024 11:58 PM


The reality is, you have 2 possible choices
This seems to sum up the Presidential possibilities about as well as possible:
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"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

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Message 1074 of 1639 (919153)
06-28-2024 8:28 PM


Someone else's good summary from elsewhere
I couldn't begin to say it better, and I'm not going to try.
teeveedub:
I’ve had a few hours to attempt to digest all that happened during and after the “debate” last night. (I’m sorry. I’m old school. I put that in quotation marks because that was no more a debate than I am a barn owl.) So much to process!
Like many/most of us, I was kind of stunned by Biden’s demeanor. Bluntly, it was worse than I could have imagined. But when I think about the substance of what the two debaters said, there’s absolutely no comparison. Biden, even in a somewhat compromised state, made far more sense and was far more grounded in reality than that lying blob at the podium next to him. Yes, he stumbled over words. But what an unbelievable double standard is being applied here!
When I hear Democrats talking about bailing on Biden and haphazardly putting someone — anyone — else in there, all I can think about is how that would throw away all of Biden’s known accomplishments for someone unknown, qualified though they may be.
I’ve also been indulging in a little thought experiment. Let’s say Biden is re-elected, and he continues to deteriorate or, even worse, he dies in office. The Constitution provides a roadmap for what happens then. “Yeah, but Harris is unpopular,” people say. Lack of popularity is not the same as being unqualified for the job. Approaching this scenario pragmatically, does anyone truly think it would be better to have Trump in office? Would Trump — who would undo as many of Biden’s accomplishments as he possibly could, along with any semblance of sanity and decency in the White House — really be better than an unpopular yet extremely accomplished woman?
My real fear in all of this is that the Democrats will become even more disjointed than we already are, reinforcing every age-old stereotype of the party. Will donations dry up? I sure as hell hope not. Will we become more factionalized? I hope not. We need unity more than ever before. Perceptions of the two candidates have changed, as they inevitably do during a campaign. What hasn’t changed is the critical nature of this election. The so called “American Experiment” is still at risk. Democracy itself is at risk. Our standing in the world is at risk. And for many of us, especially those whom our society has a tendency to marginalize, our very lives are at risk.
Source = comment at CHATTER AWAY: Overnight Open Thread - Joe.My.God.
The parallel debate concept would be the Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham creation debate, with Bill Nye having a bad day. A intelligent and knowledgeable person up against a bullshit artist.
ADDED BY EDIT - Imagine if Biden had the skills of Al Franken. Al would have slaughtered Trump.
Bonus video:
Moose

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Message 1389 of 1639 (920014)
08-25-2024 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1333 by dwise1
08-22-2024 12:43 PM


Re: tRump is a rapist
A few days after having met in bizarre privacy with Putin (ie, no US official was present) Trump requested a list of our top informants. Over the next few years we lost an unusually high number of those informants as they've been arrested and killed.
More info and link(s) about this, please.
If so, seems pretty treasonous to me.
Moose

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Message 1456 of 1639 (920087)
08-30-2024 6:03 PM


The off topic here goes elsewhere, then the off topic there comes back to here
Percy writes:
And, not speaking for others, I have not chosen Harris over Trump. I have chosen "anyone who is sane and values democracy and hasn't committed fraud or rape or theft and isn't a racist" over Trump. Even Brian Kemp or Ron DeSantis would be better candidates then Trump. Trump would only be the better candidate if he were running against Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green, George Santos, Samuel Alito or Clarence Thomas. Message 408
I've been pondering who could be considered "worse than Trump". Yours is a good list, except you forgot Lauren Boebert. But I think that list would rather be different variations of terrible. And I don't think the MAGAt cult would follow/support any of them like they do Trump. When you have a bizarre circus, you need a evil clown ringmaster running the show. So I must stick with Trump as being the worst possible.
My MAGAt slogan would be:
"Go to the circus, join the circus, vote for the evil clown ringmaster".
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Message 1517 of 1639 (920202)
09-11-2024 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1144 by Tangle
07-17-2024 8:24 AM


Re: Whats So Dangerous About The Conservatives?
Quoting the whole thing:
Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
#Donald Trump
The Parody Project set it to music:
quote:
The lyrics for this song are based on an article about Trump, written by British journalist, Nate White. I pushed his prose around, added some words for rhyming purposes and did my best to turn it into a song lyric, hopefully without damaging it. Executive Producers Don Caron and Jerry Pender
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Minnemooseus
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Message 1534 of 1639 (920290)
09-17-2024 7:56 PM


I used AI to analyze presidential speeches... I was surprised
Really nothing to do with the current election, but this seemed to be the best place to stick it.
Where they specifically get to Trump and Biden:
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Message 1536 of 1639 (920295)
09-22-2024 12:53 AM


Cat reacts to Trump statement
Another assassination attempt.
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Message 1538 of 1639 (920350)
10-01-2024 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1537 by Percy
10-01-2024 9:01 PM


Re: IQs by State
Your first link article is dated October of 2024, but that map is dated 2022.
The second link article (IQs falling) is dated May of 2024. This contains the map you embedded, dated 2024.
The dated 2022 map shows higher average IQs, relative to the dated 2024 map.
Which supports a falling average IQ. But it is rather confusing in that the newer article has the older data.
The general geographic pattern of both maps are similar.
Moose

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Message 1599 of 1639 (920672)
11-07-2024 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1596 by dronestar
11-07-2024 10:17 AM


Re: The End
4. Palestinian woman and children being murdered with american bombs, and Biden and Harris being resolute with their ACTIONS that it will continue. Legislation known as the Leahy Law prevents the U.S. from providing weapons or funds for military assistance to groups when there is credible information indicating the groups have violated human rights. Biden/Harris, shamefully illegal and immoral.
I wonder if Biden/Harris were in a no-win situation here. Support Israel and the Palestinian supporter votes abstain from voting, or come down on Israel and loose a big chunk of the Israel supporter vote (which would go to Trump*).
Maybe if Biden had suppressed Israel's response soon after the war had started, things might have worked better, but its too late now (or is it???). Maybe loosing the election could free up Bidden to do something for the Palestinians.
Moose
* plan is from here on to be referred to as FA = Flaming Asshole
Better plan - after inauguration * POtuS Trump, or maybe POtuS

"IF YOU DON'T WANT POLITICS GETTING INTO CRIMINAL TRIALS, DON'T LET CRIMINALS GET INTO POLITICS" - Moose
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984)

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Message 1610 of 1639 (920689)
11-08-2024 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1607 by dronestar
11-08-2024 3:31 PM


Re: The End
Moose writes:
I wonder if Biden/Harris were in a no-win situation here.
Yes, they were, agreed. But when in a no-win situation, then simply do what is moral AND legal and let the chips fall. Why can't the democrats ever be brave and courageous. Damn, who wants to vote for craven pusillanimity?
The following assumes that Harris would win the election, and having come down on Israel could have lost the election.
As I see/saw it, the route taken is bad for the Palestinians, but would be better for them, Ukraine, the U.S., and the rest of the world in the longer run. A short term lose, but a longer term win???
Moose

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