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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
In the words of Senator Paul Wellstone. "We all do better, when we all do better"
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
My wife and I attended the Walz rally today. Lots of energy. Inspirational. Gwen Walz is a hoot. Great rally. Now at Earth Rider Fest.
Events - Earth Rider Brewery What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie? |
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Really nothing to do with the current election, but this seemed to be the best place to stick it.
Where they specifically get to Trump and Biden: Moose
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Percy Member Posts: 22934 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
The Fed just cut interest rates a half point. The stock market responded with record highs, reflecting the hope that it will improve the economy. Hopefully an improving economy won't heat up inflation again. But there's too little time before election day for interest rates to measurably affect the economy, while the pain of the recent inflation will still be felt.
--Percy
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Another assassination attempt. Moose
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Percy Member Posts: 22934 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
States with highest and lowest average IQs revealed in map | Daily Mail Online, reports an article on a recent study, and here's the map from As research warns IQ is falling for first time EVER.... our map reveals average scores in every US state:
Combining these results data from Updated IQ and Well-Being Scores for the 50 U.S. States, the article found these correlations:
quote: --Percy
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Your first link article is dated October of 2024, but that map is dated 2022.
The second link article (IQs falling) is dated May of 2024. This contains the map you embedded, dated 2024. The dated 2022 map shows higher average IQs, relative to the dated 2024 map. Which supports a falling average IQ. But it is rather confusing in that the newer article has the older data. The general geographic pattern of both maps are similar. Moose
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.5
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Well, this data is skewed because they only test everyone's IQ once every decade during the census, oh wait, they don't, so where does that IQ data come from?
IQ is the measure of how well you do on an IQ test. IQ tests were devised over 100 years ago as instruments of discrimination against immigrants entering our country at Ellis Island.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
... so where does that IQ data come from? I'm drawing on my own experience in California in the 1960's, but I suspect that that data would come from the State Board of Education's records. In elementary school (Grade 5 maybe) and junior high (¿8th grade? -- all I know is that there's a score on my jr.high transcript) and maybe also in high school we had state required testing. We also had a placement test upon entering junior college and later there was the SAT. Then when my sons were in high school in California around 2000 there was that big push for school accountability and requiring students to pass a test in order to graduate. My younger son hated that because the teachers no longer had classroom time to teach but instead had to concentrate on test preparation. I would assume that other states had similar testing requirements and that maybe private schools and home schooling would also be included in those requirements. So I would assume that those tests are the sources for that IQ data.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
I last took an IQ test when I was 16.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22934 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
I'll try to answer some of the questions raised in replies to my "IQs by State" message.
I'll start by saying I should have said not too much importance should be attached to this. IQ testing has issues/problems, as others have already stated. I posted it because it was yet another data point in the disparity in a host of measures that split down the conservative/liberal divide. The most common question was about the source of the IQ data. I'm pretty sure I've never taken an actual IQ test, but my K-12 schools all had standardized testing. I think there was one big one they gave every four years. Trying to dig down now to figure out where they were getting their IQ data... The ultimate source of the data appears to be a series of studies that explore the Flynn effect, which is the idea that each generation is smarter than the one before, but Looking for Flynn effects in a recent online U.S. adult sample: Examining shifts within the SAPA Project from June of 2023 reports a recent reverse Flynn effect (we got dumber). Their data comes from two primary sources:
I assume these names are as meaningless to others as they are to me. I could dig down further, but I fear that I'd find myself in a maze of scholarly terminology that I'm not well equipped to handle. The IQ map I posted that was from the second article (As research warns IQ is falling for first time EVER.... our map reveals average scores in every US state) was constructed using data from these studies. The IQ map from the first article (States with highest and lowest average IQs revealed in map | Daily Mail Online) I'm actually seeing for the first time, which is why I sought a map in that second article. That the map didn't originally display for me I'll chalk up to spotty hotel WiFi and note that my state of New Hampshire is near the top, nyah nyah. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Theo writes: I last took an IQ test when I was 16. I think I was about that young or younger too. I remember that I scored high and that my forte was reading. The fact that I have been too comfortable with "feeling special" and my reluctance to employ critical thinking when it challenges my comfort zone is a large part of what holds me back.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17909 Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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The thing about the Flynn effect is that it indicates that the tests are including elements other than native ability. Doing worse on the tests does not necessarily mean “becoming dumber”. Without understanding the causes all you can say is that there is a decline in test scores.
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Percy Member Posts: 22934 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
I was just out in Utah for a couple weeks where the price of gas was, on average, around $3.80. Returning to New Hampshire we found the price of gas had dropped to $2.89 (seems to be the same everywhere) from around $3.29 when we lefr. Is the price of gas dropping anywhere else?
--Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17909 Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Petrol has become quite noticeably cheaper here over the last couple of weeks. The BBC reports:
Petrol prices have fallen to their lowest level for three years
based on information from the RAC
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