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Theodoric
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Message 1532 of 1639 (920225)
09-14-2024 6:41 PM
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09-14-2024 12:10 PM


Re: Whats So Dangerous About The Conservatives?
In the words of Senator Paul Wellstone. "We all do better, when we all do better"

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1533 of 1639 (920226)
09-14-2024 6:45 PM


Walz rally in Superior, WI
My wife and I attended the Walz rally today. Lots of energy. Inspirational. Gwen Walz is a hoot. Great rally. Now at Earth Rider Fest.
Events - Earth Rider Brewery

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


  
Minnemooseus
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Message 1534 of 1639 (920290)
09-17-2024 7:56 PM


I used AI to analyze presidential speeches... I was surprised
Really nothing to do with the current election, but this seemed to be the best place to stick it.
Where they specifically get to Trump and Biden:
Moose

  
Percy
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Message 1535 of 1639 (920294)
09-19-2024 7:49 PM


Food Prices
The Fed just cut interest rates a half point. The stock market responded with record highs, reflecting the hope that it will improve the economy. Hopefully an improving economy won't heat up inflation again. But there's too little time before election day for interest rates to measurably affect the economy, while the pain of the recent inflation will still be felt.
--Percy

  
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Message 1536 of 1639 (920295)
09-22-2024 12:53 AM


Cat reacts to Trump statement
Another assassination attempt.
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Percy
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Message 1537 of 1639 (920349)
10-01-2024 9:01 PM


IQs by State
States with highest and lowest average IQs revealed in map | Daily Mail Online, reports an article on a recent study, and here's the map from As research warns IQ is falling for first time EVER.... our map reveals average scores in every US state:
Combining these results data from Updated IQ and Well-Being Scores for the 50 U.S. States, the article found these correlations:
quote:
The research found higher state IQs correlated strongly to higher incomes, more wellbeing and better education and health.
...
The study found a strong correlation overall with levels of spending on education, with New Hampshire having high levels of expenditure on education.
...
The states which scored low, such as Mississippi, New Mexico and Arkansas (95.7), tend to have relatively low scores for well-being based on crime, education and health.
The research also found a slight negative correlation between conservatism and IQ, meaning IQs tend to be lower in conservative states.
Additionally, the paper found average state IQ correlates to the number of people who have been vaccinated against Covid-19, with a higher number of vaccinations associated with higher IQs.
The study author, Bryan J Pesta, cited several previous studies that show a correlation between conservatism and low state IQs.
He wrote: 'They show that state-level conservatism is associated with lower IQ. Consistent with this, state IQ also correlates strongly with state-level income inequality. That is, as IQ scores go up, state income inequality goes down.'
But the study found only a ‘weak’ link between people who voted for Biden in 2020 and higher IQs.
Perhaps surprisingly, there is a strong association with alcohol use and higher IQs.
Pesta wrote: 'State IQ correlates strongly with alcohol consumption. Surprisingly, however, the relation is direct. Thus, there appears to be a consistent, positive correlation between IQ and alcohol consumption….
'At present, I have no explanation for why alcohol consumption is associated with better health outcomes at the state level.’
Pesta noted several previous studies also found an association between higher IQs and higher levels of alcohol consumption.
--Percy

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Minnemooseus
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Message 1538 of 1639 (920350)
10-01-2024 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1537 by Percy
10-01-2024 9:01 PM


Re: IQs by State
Your first link article is dated October of 2024, but that map is dated 2022.
The second link article (IQs falling) is dated May of 2024. This contains the map you embedded, dated 2024.
The dated 2022 map shows higher average IQs, relative to the dated 2024 map.
Which supports a falling average IQ. But it is rather confusing in that the newer article has the older data.
The general geographic pattern of both maps are similar.
Moose

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Message 1539 of 1639 (920351)
10-02-2024 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1537 by Percy
10-01-2024 9:01 PM


Re: IQs by State
Well, this data is skewed because they only test everyone's IQ once every decade during the census, oh wait, they don't, so where does that IQ data come from?
IQ is the measure of how well you do on an IQ test. IQ tests were devised over 100 years ago as instruments of discrimination against immigrants entering our country at Ellis Island.

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Message 1540 of 1639 (920352)
10-02-2024 1:28 AM
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10-02-2024 12:22 AM


Re: IQs by State
... so where does that IQ data come from?
I'm drawing on my own experience in California in the 1960's, but I suspect that that data would come from the State Board of Education's records.
In elementary school (Grade 5 maybe) and junior high (¿8th grade? -- all I know is that there's a score on my jr.high transcript) and maybe also in high school we had state required testing. We also had a placement test upon entering junior college and later there was the SAT.
Then when my sons were in high school in California around 2000 there was that big push for school accountability and requiring students to pass a test in order to graduate. My younger son hated that because the teachers no longer had classroom time to teach but instead had to concentrate on test preparation. 
I would assume that other states had similar testing requirements and that maybe private schools and home schooling would also be included in those requirements.
So I would assume that those tests are the sources for that IQ data.

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Theodoric
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Message 1541 of 1639 (920353)
10-02-2024 8:14 AM
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10-02-2024 12:22 AM


Re: IQs by State
I last took an IQ test when I was 16.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 1542 of 1639 (920355)
10-02-2024 11:41 AM


Re: IQs by State
I'll try to answer some of the questions raised in replies to my "IQs by State" message.
I'll start by saying I should have said not too much importance should be attached to this. IQ testing has issues/problems, as others have already stated. I posted it because it was yet another data point in the disparity in a host of measures that split down the conservative/liberal divide.
The most common question was about the source of the IQ data. I'm pretty sure I've never taken an actual IQ test, but my K-12 schools all had standardized testing. I think there was one big one they gave every four years.
Trying to dig down now to figure out where they were getting their IQ data...
The ultimate source of the data appears to be a series of studies that explore the Flynn effect, which is the idea that each generation is smarter than the one before, but Looking for Flynn effects in a recent online U.S. adult sample: Examining shifts within the SAPA Project from June of 2023 reports a recent reverse Flynn effect (we got dumber). Their data comes from two primary sources:
  • Synthetic Aperture Personality Assessment Project (SAPA Project)
  • International Cognitive Ability Resource (ICAR)
I assume these names are as meaningless to others as they are to me. I could dig down further, but I fear that I'd find myself in a maze of scholarly terminology that I'm not well equipped to handle.
The IQ map I posted that was from the second article (As research warns IQ is falling for first time EVER.... our map reveals average scores in every US state) was constructed using data from these studies. The IQ map from the first article (States with highest and lowest average IQs revealed in map | Daily Mail Online) I'm actually seeing for the first time, which is why I sought a map in that second article. That the map didn't originally display for me I'll chalk up to spotty hotel WiFi and note that my state of New Hampshire is near the top, nyah nyah.
--Percy

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Message 1543 of 1639 (920356)
10-02-2024 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1541 by Theodoric
10-02-2024 8:14 AM


Re: IQs by State
Theo writes:
I last took an IQ test when I was 16.
I think I was about that young or younger too. I remember that I scored high and that my forte was reading. The fact that I have been too comfortable with "feeling special" and my reluctance to employ critical thinking when it challenges my comfort zone is a large part of what holds me back.

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Message 1544 of 1639 (920357)
10-03-2024 12:08 AM
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10-02-2024 11:41 AM


Re: IQs by State
The thing about the Flynn effect is that it indicates that the tests are including elements other than native ability. Doing worse on the tests does not necessarily mean “becoming dumber”. Without understanding the causes all you can say is that there is a decline in test scores.

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Percy
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Message 1545 of 1639 (920393)
10-05-2024 8:57 AM


Price of Gas as an Election Indicator
I was just out in Utah for a couple weeks where the price of gas was, on average, around $3.80. Returning to New Hampshire we found the price of gas had dropped to $2.89 (seems to be the same everywhere) from around $3.29 when we lefr. Is the price of gas dropping anywhere else?
--Percy

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Message 1546 of 1639 (920394)
10-05-2024 9:11 AM
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10-05-2024 8:57 AM


Re: Price of Gas as an Election Indicator
Petrol has become quite noticeably cheaper here over the last couple of weeks. The BBC reports:
Petrol prices have fallen to their lowest level for three years
based on information from the RAC

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