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kjsimons
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Message 1547 of 1639 (920397)
10-05-2024 1:32 PM
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10-05-2024 8:57 AM


Re: Price of Gas as an Election Indicator
Down here in Orlando, FL most stations are now about $3.14 per gallon ($2.89 at Costco) which is down a bit from a month ago.

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Message 1548 of 1639 (920401)
10-06-2024 1:01 AM
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10-05-2024 8:57 AM


Re: Price of Gas as an Election Indicator
$2.76 tonight in Superior, WI.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 1549 of 1639 (920471)
10-09-2024 3:03 PM


I know she's batshit crazy, but Margorie Taylor Greene, who doesn't believe humans are contributing to climate change, said after Hurricane Helene, that Democrats are controlling hurricanes.
Just think of it...Democrats have so much money that they secretly funded the development of hurricane technology so they could crash storms into the U.S. so they could spend $billions more money repairing the damage, INSTEAD of nailing Iran, or North Korea or the fucking Taliban.
The only explanation I can think of is, MTG thinks she's playing MTG on Saturday Night Live or the Twilight Zone. She never disappoints though and always exceeds all expectations of her stupidity and malice!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
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Message 1550 of 1639 (920472)
10-09-2024 4:05 PM
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10-09-2024 3:03 PM


Thanks to MTG I joined the Secret Jewish Space Laser Corps.
Mazel tough!
 
 
ADDENDUM:
As I've already mentioned a few times (eg, Message 148, 22-Feb-2021), most QAnon type conspiracy theories are recycled from older sources, including TV shows. The amazing part of the "Secret Jewish Space Lasers" was that it was drawn from a popular book on how to design and fund space colonies; their industry could be to build and operate orbiting solar power stations that would beam down electricity through focused microwave beams (so masers, not lasers).
Surprisingly eclectic for a troglodyte.
That 2021 message again for our edification:
dwise1 writes:
I've come to a realization, but I want to put it out there as kind of a "Request for Comment" (RFC, though this has nothing to do with networking protocols).
Whenever we hear Q-Anon claims expressed, we're left in bewilderment of where they could be getting such nonsense from. And what kind of sick minds could dream up such horrors (the answer turns out to be Christian minds -- see below for the centuries-old "blood libel").
A few months ago I heard a Q-Anon claim being quoted verbatim, in which they explicitly named where these aliens who are ruling us are operating from: Deep Space Nine! That was an epiphany for me.
It certainly appears that they're getting this nonsense from decades, even centuries (again with the blood libel already!), of popular fiction, most recenly including TV shows and movies. Like DS9. Or V (1980's TV SciFi). And the much gorier horror stuff from decades of cheap gore movies at the drive-in.
Let's look at a few.
Obviously, the most ridiculously sadistic and gory rumors come straight out of all those cheap horror movies, the cheaper the gorier.
 
And lizard people posing as humans and ruling us? Yeah, I also remember V from the 80's. The first miniseries was rather good and the second was OK. By the time they got to the regular series, not so good but rather increasingly hokey. "V" stood at first for "visitors", aliens making contact with us in order to help us, but then the Resistance turned it around to mean "victory." It turns out that the aliens were looking to steal earth's water, plus they looked at us as a food source. At first, it was "They look just like us!", but those were just disguises. Instead, they were reptilian, feeding by swallowing their gerbils whole (there were a few scenes of that -- us they'd have to slice and dice first).
 
And space lasers? Lots of cheap and non-existent (or even impossible) unobtainium movie/TV/cartoon tech. Like SPECTRE's diamond-encrusted space laser in Diamonds are Forever.
However, in connection with those "Jewish space lasers", I also heard reference to "broadcast power" satellites. I don't know whether that had ever made it to the B movies or TV, but most space enthusiasts from the 80's should recognize that tech immediately. One advocate for space colonies was a physicist, Gerard K. O'Neill (with two ells while holding up three fingers, a recurring Stargate SG-1 joke by Col. Jack O'Neill -- and yes, in that Wikipedia photo he is sporting a Vulcan haircut completely with pointed sideburns). He proposed building space colonies which are departed from the old standard "space wheel" by designing them as rotating spheres where you lived on the inner surface of the sphere -- lots of living surface area along with artificial gravity (the designs of Babylon 4 and Babylon 5 were based on his ideas). Construction material would be mined from the moon (which has a lot of bauxite, the ore for aluminum) launched with linear accelerator mass drivers and the power would come from orbiting solar power stations. Also, forerunners of the Belters would scout the Asteroid Belt for raw resources and attach linear accelerator mass drivers to asteroids to propel them into a lower orbit where we could mine them at our leisure.
And the space colony economy would be based on cheap solar power that would be beamed down to receiver stations on the earth's surface through microwave transmissions. Which was the "smoking gun" (or Easter egg) I heard in a Q-Anon reference to those "space lasers" (from Rep. Greene of GA, I seem to recall).
 
Now, what about kidnapping children in order to drink their blood? That one is quite literally Christianity at its worst. It goes back nearly two millennia and is an anti-Jewish trope that apparently we will never be rid of. Besides "blood libel, it is also known as "ritual murder libel" and "blood accusation". And it is entirely Christianin origin, propogation, and as a standard excuse of Christians to conduct vicious pogroms in order to slaughter Jews (whereas their leaders were undoubtedly more interested in eliminating their debts by eliminating their debtors). How very Christian!
When my friend and I traveled to Germany a few years ago, I remember sitting in the train looking at the "nächster Halt" (sounds like "nexter Halt") scrolling announcement for Bacharach. I remember that because I saw it come up on the screen and my mind immediately read it like the singer, Burt (I read in whole words, not by sounding it out), but then the recorded voice gave it the German pronounciation which is quite different. It's a medieval town that's pretty well preserved, so it's a popular tourist destination. That was the first time I had ever seen Stolpersteine, "stumbling stones." They replace individual cobblestones in front of a house that had been owned or occupied by Jews leading into the Holocaust with a gold-colored metal mini-plaque engraved with the person's name, when they were arrested or rounded up, and when and where they died or were murdered ("ermordet" is very specifically used).
It turns out that Bacharach has a very bloody history because of the blood libel. From Bacharach's page (bold added):
quote:
Widely visible is the Wernerkapelle, a Rheinromantik landmark of the town, lying on the way up to Stahleck Castle from the town. It is the expanded Kunibertkapelle, and is still an unfinished Gothic ruin today. Its namesake is Werner of Oberwesel, known in connection with pogroms triggered by his death. According to the Christian blood libel, which was typical of the times, a 16-year-old Werner was murdered on Maundy Thursday 1287 by members of the local Jewish community, who then used his blood for Passover observances. On the grounds of this alleged ritual murder, there arose an anti-Semitic mob who waged a pogrom, wiping out Jewish communities in the Middle and Lower Rhine and Moselle regions. In folk Christianity arose the cult of Werner, which was only stricken from the Bishopric of Trier calendar in 1963.
BTW, Jewish dietary law forbids the consumption of blood. Kosher butchering tradition and practices aim to evacuate as much of the animal's blood as is possible. Ever wonder why Kosher salt is kosher? Because its large grains are better for drawing blood out of the meat. Nu?
And yet, the blood libel persisted among Christians.
When I transferred to a four-year, one of my first classes was in "Rabbinic Literature" with Rabbi Kalir. In one lecture he covered the origin of a Seder custom.
Have you ever attended a Seder, a Passover dinner? Elijah is thought to have never died, having been taken up into Heaven while still alive, so he could still be present on earth. At every Seder, a place is set for Elijah should he choose to visit and at one point the host or hostess goes to open the front door to let Elijah in, should he just happen to be in the neighborhood.
As Rabbi Kalir taught us, that custom came directly from the blood libel. He told us that Christians believed that Jews drank blood in their "secret Jewish rituals" and would abduct and murder Christian children in order to drain them of their blood for those rituals. Opening the door for Elijah was the Jewish community's attempt to demonstrate to everybody that they had nothing whatsoever to hide.
So this Q-Anon nonsense about killing children and drinking their blood is nothing more that old recycled Christian nonsense. The horrific "details" come from sick minds drawing from sick horror movies.
 
Am I on the right track with this analysis?

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Message 1551 of 1639 (920479)
10-11-2024 9:49 AM


History Looks Ahead
In the lead-up to this election there have been many allusions and references to Washington's Farewell Address, but a recent article reminded me of the most apropos part:
Washington's Farewell Address:
The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
It's as if he knew Trump was coming.
--Percy

  
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Message 1552 of 1639 (920555)
10-22-2024 3:51 PM


Hopefully This Serves as a Warning to Other Lawyers
Today a judge ordered Rudy Giuliani to begin turning over property to Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, the Georgia election workers that he defamed in 2020: Rudy Giuliani must give control of luxury items and Manhattan apartment to Georgia election workers he defamed, judge rules
If Trump loses the election, hopefully Giuliani's legal and financial woes serve as an example to other lawyers to discourage them from working with Trump to overturn it, or at least discourage them from lying in his service.
--Percy

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Message 1553 of 1639 (920556)
10-22-2024 7:29 PM
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10-22-2024 3:51 PM


Re: Hopefully This Serves as a Warning to Other Lawyers
They won't listen.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 1554 of 1639 (920577)
10-26-2024 6:41 AM


‘Is Donald Trump a Fascist”
1933 and the Definition of Fascism
Military historian Brett Devereux weighs in. He uses Trump’s own words to answer the question - “Is Donald Trump a Fascist”. But there’s also the words of Trump’s former advisors and the words of those associated with Trump. It’s a damning indictment and a necessary warning to America.
A key quote:
Listen for the promises of violence, the promises to suspend press freedoms, the promises to persecute political adversaries and when you hear them believe them.

  
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Message 1555 of 1639 (920594)
10-28-2024 3:42 PM
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10-22-2024 3:51 PM


Re: Hopefully This Serves as a Warning to Other Lawyers
Percy writes:
If Trump loses the election, hopefully Giuliani's legal and financial woes serve as an example to other lawyers to discourage them from working with Trump to overturn it, or at least discourage them from lying in his service.
For me, the bigger question is if the MAGA movement can survive without Trump. No one else has been able to successfully woo the Trump followers. In the same way, I don't think the Nazis would have been as successful without Hitler. The same for the OG Fascist party and Mussolini.

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Message 1556 of 1639 (920595)
10-29-2024 5:23 AM
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07-09-2023 11:23 AM


2024 US Presidential Election
The 2024 U.S. Presidential Election is set to take place on Tuesday, November 5, 2024. It will determine the next President and Vice President of the United States, following the current term of President Joe Biden. Biden, the incumbent, has announced his candidacy for re-election as the Democratic nominee. His main rival from the Republican Party is Donald Trump, the former President, who is seeking to regain office.
Other candidates from both major parties and third-party candidates may also emerge, creating a competitive race. Key issues expected to shape the election include the economy, healthcare, climate change, immigration, and foreign policy. Voter turnout, particularly among younger generations and minority groups, will also play a crucial role.
With the U.S. deeply polarized, the 2024 election is expected to be contentious, as both parties vie for control of the White House and Congress. Political analysts are closely watching for developments in swing states, where voters will likely decide the outcome of the election.
The election will not only affect domestic policy but also have significant implications for the U.S.'s role on the global stage, making it a highly anticipated event in both national and international politics.

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Message 1557 of 1639 (920597)
10-29-2024 8:21 AM
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10-29-2024 5:23 AM


Re: 2024 US Presidential Election
Gee, thanks, this thread really needed an introduction now that we're 1500 messages in. One request: could you haunt Donald Trump? By the way, really liked your cameo (and the hat) in Manhattan:
--Percy

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Message 1558 of 1639 (920600)
10-30-2024 2:24 AM
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10-29-2024 8:21 AM


Re: 2024 US Presidential Election
Are you sure that ChatGPT didn't create an alias?

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Message 1559 of 1639 (920601)
10-30-2024 5:01 AM
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10-30-2024 2:24 AM


Re: 2024 US Presidential Election
Who cares?
A fake is a fake regardless of how well executed.

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Message 1560 of 1639 (920602)
10-30-2024 8:34 AM


How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
Election skeptic found not guilty after being accused of trying to vote twice describes how Carter Bell of Virginia was tried and found not guilty of attempting to vote twice in a 2023 election. He voted early, then on election day he tried to vote again. Election workers quickly discovered he had already voted and turned him away.
But the county registrar reported the incident to police, who later showed up at Mr. Bell's house and arrested him. He claimed to only have been testing the system, and that if handed a ballot he would not have accepted it. He was one of those who believed Trump's lies about election fraud.
If there are any blooming idiots reading these words who believe Trump's claims then please explain to us how election fraud works, on a scale large enough to swing a national election. No one's been able to explain this yet, let alone actually catch someone doing it, so you'd be the first.
--Percy

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Message 1561 of 1639 (920603)
10-30-2024 4:59 PM
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10-30-2024 8:34 AM


Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
To answer the question in your subtitle:
How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
The answer is that you do what Trump attempted to do. You use the levers of power to throw out the legitimate votes and install your own electors in their place using lies about fraud as a smokescreen.

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