2024 US Presidential Election

(bolded mine) GREAT HORNY TOADS have I been invited back? (this will be a non-partisan message)Have you heard about this?https://www.cnn.com/...lot-box-fires-what-we-know/index.html"Police are searching for the person" Wouldn't it be nice if ANYONE was interested in what election official(s) allowed this to happen?The way elections are conducted and counted in the U.S. has taken serious turns in only the last several decades. The internet came into being only about 30 years ago, there were "electronic" voting machines decades before that of course, but were crude compared to the voting machines of today. Early / absentee voting only made up a small fraction of the total vote, mainly done by people who were going to be travelling, or out of their home state on election day. Early voting became all the rage in 2020 largely because of Covid, quickly implemented with today's technology. Now it remains all the rage today. Why does no one seem interested in the very basics on how this is done?As of this morning it was reported that 51 million votes have already been cast. Who is managing all of this? On election day, voting precincts are largely manned by volunteers. Are volunteers in charge of sitting on millions of votes for days, or weeks before election day? When are they counted, are they counted yet? Who counts early votes? Paid people? What is their background?What percentage of early votes are stored on paper, in easy access to anyone who wants to throw a match on them, compared to those stored on-line? Voting information was nowhere near a worldwide information source before 1990, or probably even 2000, and it wouldn't have mattered much if it was, since the entire process started and stopped on one day. Wouldn't a U.S. enemy, a U.S. ally, the news media, talk radio, Republican leadership, Democrat leadership, love to know NOW, five days before the election, what the exact early vote count is? Would they be willing to pay the big bucks to get that information now? It's going to be a lot more accurate in projecting the election results than all these little polls by ABC and Fox and all the rest. I've been watching and listening to talk shows and news reports yesterday and today following the burned-up-ballot story as I can, both conservative and liberal, (sporadically since I work full time plus), and I'm seeing no interest in these things.I did a brief look around the net last evening, nothing. I'm not all that interested in a lot of complex details in how elections are conducted in this day and age, but I'd expect the basics to be all over the place in light of all this early voting, especially after the ballot dumpster fire described above.If people are so blindly trusting in how today's elections are handled after that event, who is really qualified to criticize anyone who questions it? Was I the first? Can you answer any of the questions I asked above? Here's some more; How much are election officials paid? How many are there, per state, nationally? Are new ones being hired, for all this early voting? How many different levels of officials? Who do they all answer to? Politicians? Is the pay different on the state level, versus the national level? Several different pay levels?Early voting is by far the biggest danger to democracy, in a society that's uncaring about the basic details on how it's conducted.

That's not election fraud. When you figure out how the claimed election fraud of the 2020 election was carried out then please describe it for us.--Percy

Given that Trump's legal team couldn't do this over the course of *over 60 court cases*, I'm not holding my breath for our friend marc.

According to the BBC, election fraud is very rare. Certainly nothing like the Republicans believed.
We’ve seen first hand what Republican control will do, union says

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If you tax every good and service that comes into this country, who’s paying for it? The middle class people are paying whether it’s shoes, medicine, clothes, groceries, televisions. It’ll put America in a recession or a depression.” .

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So says the BBC.Man, this is a scary world! I fear that whichever way this election turns out, trouble will follow somewhere somehow. I've already voted...but i'm not happy with Kamala either. I just know that she is less of a problem than Trump would be.By the way...our union contract negotiations have started as the contract expires in early 2025. Im involved in all of that and am busy right now.

We can point to a good spot check of voting security. Republican hacks in Arizona forced through an extensive audit of their votes from 2020, using a company called Cyber Ninjas. They found no widespread fraud.ABE: Georgia just finished an audit of their registered voters and only found 20 non-citizens out of 8 million registered voters. Another 156 have been flagged for further investigation.
Georgia voter roll audit finds only 20 noncitizens out of 8 million registered voters - ABC NewsYou would think that those who are claiming voter fraud would actually have some evidence of fraud. Why is it that they can never produce that evidence?

Here was your first question that I responded to, from Message 1560;

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...please explain to us how election fraud works, on a scale large enough to swing a national election.

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That's what my Message 1562 did. It referenced the new complications (burnt ballots / harvested ballots / widespread early voting), all completely unheard of only a few decades ago. You and a few others haven't responded to it at all.But in addressing your now re-worded question, I find an interesting similarity in your question as it relates to recent talking points about the 2020 election fraud claims. When I do a google search with the words "2020 election fraud", almost all the links provided come from liberal sources that declare it didn't happen. No surprise there, but the surprise comes from the fact that most of the links on the first page (9 out of about 13) were written within the last month, most of them in just the past few days!If it's increasingly clear to everyone that there was no fraud in the 2020 election, why is it increasingly important for its discussion to trumpeted more and more, just days before a new election that completely replaces it? If it's false, wouldn't it be more natural to just forget it? What inspired you to bring it up?Somethings being prepared for, and I can only guess what it might be. With all the new complications in the election process that I described in my last message, it's not going to be a surprise if there are claims of election fraud in the upcoming 2024 election, no matter which of the two are declared the winner.I heard one Republican commentator say that he believes that Trump will win the popular vote this time, something that a Republican presidential candidate hasn't done in a long time. If it is a trounce, and Democrats don't uselessly contest, will all these new references to 2020 election fraud claims be compared to Democrat acceptance in this one, so Democrats can claim how much better they champion democracy? If Harris edges Trump, (and I'm afraid that's a real possibility, considering the mainstream media's adoration of her) will we hear "here we go again!!!!" from Democrats if Republicans claim the possibility of election fraud again?Again, why all this brand new 2020 election reference, just a few days before it will be replaced?

Again, "burnt ballots" isn't election fraud, and that list isn't an explanation. It's like saying you use a magic carpet by stepping onto it and saying the magic words.So, again I ask you, please explain how election fraud could be carried out on a scale large enough to sway a national election, either in the 2020 election or in the one coming up. As you well know, Trump has coopted almost the entire Republican party to back his claim that the 2020 election was stolen from him through election fraud, a claim he repeats at length at every election rally and in every speech, and Republican political figures constantly repeat the claim. The result is a significant portion of the electorate becoming convinced that the 2020 election was stolen. If it is known that it was stolen then it must be known how it was done. Please explain how.--Percy

Do you know what the word "fraud" means?

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deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.

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a particular instance of such deceit or trickery:

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mail fraud; election frauds.

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any deception, trickery, or humbug:
That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.

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FRAUD Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.comThe intentional destruction of ballots is deceit, deception, trickery etc. Fraud. How about the one coming up?

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Saturday Night Live is being accused of violating federal rules by inviting Vice President Kamala Harris to the show but not former President Donald Trump.

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Ahead of the skit that aired on Saturday evening, Federal Communications Commission Commissioner Brendan Carr accused NBC of sidestepping the FCC’s guidelines.

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“This is a clear and blatant effort to evade the FCC’s Equal Time rule,” he said on X. “The purpose of the rule is to avoid exactly this type of biased and partisan conduct – a licensed broadcaster using the public airwaves to exert its influence for one candidate on the eve of an election.”

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“Unless the broadcaster offered Equal Time to other qualifying campaigns,” he added.

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The Equal Time rule stipulates that anybody operating on public airwaves must offer the same amount of air time to candidates campaigning for the same office. In 1971, Congress amended the act to include a statute that would allow the FCC to revoke a broadcaster’s license “for willful or repeated failure.”

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An official in the Trump campaign confirmed to the Washington Examiner that SNL never extended an invite for Trump to appear this weekend.

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SNL accused of violating FCC rule by inviting Harris and not Trump - Washington ExaminerThis was deceit, deception, trickery etc. It was fraud. But the FCC won't revoke NBC's broadcasters license, because not enough people are going to know about it. ABC World News Tonight covered it up, as I'm sure all of the mainstream media will tomorrow and Tuesday. Mainstream media cover-ups are FRAUD.The biggest one in the 2020 election was the mainstream media's cover up of the NY Post's news about the Hunter Biden laptop. The story was labeled as "Russian Disinformation and Misinformation". That was later proven to be a lie. But the cover up could have very well been a large enough scale to hand the election to Biden. Fraud. Significant portions of the electorate can think for themselves. Just like the Congressmen that voted against that illegal friendly "bipartisan" border bill. "Trump convinced them", "Trump told them" - just more fraudulent trickery by Democrats.

The big lies from the big liars continues. We are familiar with how fascists work.I look forward to the cacophony of squealed lies calling every number "fraud" just on one's own suspicion of 'fraud' without any evidence. The discrediting of the American core values, like 'evidence' in 'court' being belittled into lies on social media. The new American post-electoral: law suits in all jurisdictions, bands of roaming local lawyers challenging every count, process and clerk.At what point do you guys call off the dogs? What needs to show or be shown for the usual phone call of concession and congratulations from Trump to Harris? Or is that unique American feature of our pride in our peaceful transfers of power now an irrelevant relic of the old America way?

Yet another butt-hurt MAGAt snowflake heard from.* Yawn *

There's no point to responding to your collection of inaccurate and incorrect claims. Yours is a Red Queen kind of post where words mean whatever you need them to mean.Election fraud still means the same thing as it always has. For good examples of the nature of election fraud just go back to late 2020 and early 2021 when Rudy Giuliani went from court to court claiming to have evidence of things like fake ballot drop-offs, fraudulent mail-in ballots, dead people and illegal immigrants voting, and voting machine manipulation. He lost 59 of 59 cases. He did win one case allowing observers to position themselves closer to election workers, but that wasn't about election fraud. His dishonest actions caused him to lose his license to practice law in New York State, and he lost a $148 million defamation suit filed by two election workers in Georgia.Others have also lost or had suspended their licenses to practice law in some jurisdictions for the methods they employed while trying to fake a Trump victory in 2020, like Kenneth Chesebro (suspended after pleading guilty to one felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents, which refers to the attempted certification of false slates of electors), John Eastman (for attempts to nullify the 2020 election results), and Jenna Ellis (pleaded guilty in Georgia to aiding and abetting false statements and writings and spreading falsehoods - "The false statements were made with reckless disregard for the truth," said the prosecuting attorney in Fulton County).Then there's Fox News, which was sued by Dominion Voting Systems and eventually agreed to a $787 settlement for defamation. The specifics of Smartmatic's settlement of the lawsuit against Newsmax were not made public, but a Smartmatic representative did say that it is "very pleased to have secured the completion of the case against Newsmax." Smartmatic is now moving on to it's lawsuit against Fox News. Smartmatic is seeking a $2.7 billion judgment.Is what fraud actually is more clear to you now? If so, then, again, please explain how election fraud could be carried out on a scale large enough to sway a national election, either in the 2020 election or in the one coming up.--Percy

Don't forget the small handful (nowhere near enough to cause any sort of actual electoral difference) of actual voter fraud that was caught in 2016 and 2020.Mostly Republicans voting twice. They got so worked up by liars like Giuliani lying to them about Democrats "stealing" the election that several Republicans thought they could/should take illegal actions to "stop the steal."Note that they were *caught.* And prosecuted, with evidence.Marc is just another mark, tricked by lying liars who lie but who can never ever back up any of their assertions in an actual court.Marc, why do you trust the word of people who have been utterly and completely incapable of presenting any evidence of widespread voter fraud in any of those 59 court cases? If they say they have evidence to you, but then *cant present any in court,* doesn't that indicate that they'r lying to you? After all, lying in court is a crime, but lying to *you* carries no jail time.

Do you have any evidence of ballots being destroyed in the 2020 election? That has nothing to do with miscounting votes, the type of fraud that was claimed by Trump et alia. Then why do so many Republicans continue to claim that votes were miscounted in 2020 when there is zero evidence for those claims?

NBC gave Herr Von Schitzhispants free air time yesterday. There is no violation. Crawl back under your rock.
And donny used that time wisely. No he didn't. He shit the bed again.MSN

Likewise, I'm sure. I have the answer to my question, which was; With no answers here, it's obvious that the Democrats are having trouble narrowing down the (actually very broad) definition of the word "fraud", narrow enough to only mean vote counting, when a lot of Trump's references to fraud included other things. You and your helpers have discovered, to your chagrin, that it's not actually possible to get it that narrow, despite the frantic amount of liberal links on google that are doing the dance.But enjoy the show tomorrow night, and Wednesday. I will, even if the Giggler wins. I'll be just as interested in what the new congress looks like as I am with who the president will be. That will have a huge effect on what Trump will be able to accomplish, or the giggler will be able to screw up. Either way, I'm looking forward to the beginning of the Vance administration in 2028, if I live long enough to see it.By the way, I like the new 'approval dot' system you have, red dots as approval for Republican messages, very appropriate, but I think the green dots for the Democrat ones should be changed to blue.