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GDR
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Message 83 of 378 (913285)
10-21-2023 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Tanypteryx
10-19-2023 3:35 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
Tanypteryx writes:
I just saw a comment on a news channel sum things up..."It's going to get worse before it gets really worse!"
It is hard to be optimistic. No one knows the depth of evil in the human heart.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 100 of 378 (913324)
10-23-2023 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by dwise1
10-23-2023 1:23 PM


Re: The Mid East War Ramps Up
dwise1 writes:
In their thinking, there is no neutral middle ground; either you are with Jesus Christ or you are against him. No room for the vast majority of "who cares?". Strict black-or-white thinking that ignores the seas of gray in between.
Let's extend that quote a bit.
quote:
Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
When you read further it isn't about what we give intellectual assent to. It is about what we base our life on. Do we live our life on the message of the Holy Spirit, which is at it's core is the Golden Rule, or do we live a life that focuses on the self even at the expense of others.
You are doing what a lot of fundamentalists do by pulling one verse out of the Bible without context and using as a proof text.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 119 of 378 (913367)
10-25-2023 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Tangle
10-23-2023 3:37 PM


Re: The Mid East War Ramps Up
Tangle writes:
Yeh right. God is supposed to be forgiveness. Just don't fuck with the Holy Spirit because he doesn't do that forgiveness stuff. Well fuck the Holy Spirit.
I see it this way The passage is about rejecting the message of the Holy Spirit which is essentially about the love of the other. When we focus on the self, whether it is about acquiring wealth or power then we live lives that can never be fulfilled and we create a life for ourselves that is very often hellish.
For example how may movie or rock star can we name who when they get to the point that they wanted to achieve find that it is not enough and escape through drugs or relationships that ultimately fail. Sure there
In other words we create our own hell.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 122 of 378 (913370)
10-25-2023 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Phat
10-23-2023 9:06 PM


Re: Religion vs Relationship
Phat writes:
AZPaul3 assumes that all religion is evil to the core. Many of the peanut gallery, while not siding with him, mention Israel as the aggressor and the Palestinians as victims. I can fully see their argument. Televised TV images are powerful and compelling. I would argue, however, that reality does not need religion in order to be cruel to our fellow man. Jews and Christians are not alike in one way. Jews are Jewish by ethnicity and can choose whether or not to be Jewish by profession of belief. Christians are not Christian by ethnicity, so we are essentially people of every tribe tongue and nation who have chosen to profess belief in Jesus Christ.
I essentially disagree with this characterisation. Even in the Bible there were those who converted to Judaism. I have a cousin, raised in a Christian home, who married a Jewish man and converted. In one real sense Christians are simply part of a Jewish sect that differed from the others on the messianic issue.
Yes there are many Jews who are cultural Jews based on ethnicity but the same is true of Christians, although I agree that is a lot less true that it was not very long ago.
As far as the issue of the war goes, I would say that after having travelled fairly extensively in Israel, I have considerable sympathy with both points of view. I would add though that nearly all members of Hamas in Gaza are Palestinian but not all Palestinians in Gaza are members of Hamas. There are both Palestinians and Jews that are arguing for a cease fire, and for a path of peaceful co-existence.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 123 of 378 (913371)
10-25-2023 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Tangle
10-25-2023 5:59 PM


Re: The Mid East War Ramps Up
Tangle writes:
Yeh, another "I believe..." statement. Er, so what? I read the words as written and quote them back at you. What you prefer to belief despite the words written in your book by your man himself - not even the Old Testament psychotic murderer.

Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

No forgiveness. Tricky, not the heart's message is it?
If you read on further in that passgae it says this.
quote:
For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
So it really is talking about the message of the heart. This is a problem it comes from cherry picking verses as the so-called literalists often do. We all choose the path we take. If we choose to benefit the self at the expense of the other then it becomes the choice that we ultimately pick for our lives, and it is a life that can never be fulfilled because we can never have enough, or a hell on earth.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 144 of 378 (913433)
10-30-2023 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Tangle
10-27-2023 2:26 AM


Re: The Mid East War Ramps Up
Tangle writes:
I have no idea what a “message of the heart” is. That's just invented religious gobbledegook. But whatever it means it's irrelevant. What's in god's heart is unforgiveness

“And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.”

That's couldn't be clearer.
You tell me then what it means to blaspheme the Spirit. You disregard my reading of it in context but you don't explain how you understand it except to put an expletive in front of Holy Spirit.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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