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Message 19 of 377 (913125)
10-11-2023 11:41 PM
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10-11-2023 9:00 PM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
A consultant on the news made an interesting point. Hamas' attacks could have been to undermine negotiations for cooperation between Israel and Arab countries (I recall mention of Saudi Arabia) by forcing Israel into retaliatory actions that could turn into a religious matter. He pointed out that religious matters leave no room for compromise.
So the problem with religion is not any inherent evil, but rather that religion can be so readily weaponized for evil and has been (and still is) weaponized far too often. We could construct analogies involving dynamite, C4, or even nukes that can be put to constructive use if handled properly, but are far too easy to be used for evil.

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Message 99 of 377 (913322)
10-23-2023 1:23 PM
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10-23-2023 11:38 AM


Re: The Mid East War Ramps Up
I think that Christian wrong idea comes from one of Jesus' first false dichotomies:
quote:
Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
In their thinking, there is no neutral middle ground; either you are with Jesus Christ or you are against him. No room for the vast majority of "who cares?". Strict black-or-white thinking that ignores the seas of gray in between.
Yet another case of Christians rejecting reality. By their own logic, since they are not with reality then they are against reality.

"Reality. What a concept!" -- Robin Williams at the Roxy (HBO special, c. 1980)
 

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Message 101 of 377 (913326)
10-23-2023 3:16 PM
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10-23-2023 2:19 PM


Re: The Mid East War Ramps Up
You are doing what a lot of fundamentalists do by pulling one verse out of the Bible without context and using as a proof text.
As they say (eg, SS-Standartenf├╝hrer Hans Landa): "To hunt a weasel, you need to think like a weasel."
In order to understand why fundamentalists say the strange things that they do, you have to understand how they think. That means that instead of reading their "sources" correctly and in context, you need to follow their incorrect and out-of-context reading.
Re-reading what I had written, you will notice that I had qualified that as "in their thinking."
Though there is the added complication that they don't think about what they believe, but rather they just accept without comprehension what they are told to believe. It is difficult to analyze thought processes that never take place.

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Message 191 of 377 (913585)
11-17-2023 9:45 AM
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11-17-2023 9:36 AM


Re: This Sums Up The General Attitude
Japan would have done the same but on a much more determined scale that would have intentionally (rather than incidentally) involved civilians .
An example of that.
My Aikido sensei in college (c. 1974) was from Japan. One day a student asked him about his experience in WWII. He was an elementary school student at the end of the war. One day they gave all the students sharpened bamboo sticks/staffs and trained them in how to use them against the invading soldiers. Fortunately, they never needed to use that training.
That shows how determined they were to not surrender.

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Message 325 of 377 (918400)
04-30-2024 11:56 AM
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04-30-2024 8:20 AM


Re: The French Way
Just remembering what I was told about the French student anti-war protests of the late 60's. I was told this by a French co-worker when I worked construction in West Germany in the summer of 1973.
According to him, the French government's strategy was to let the protesters get out of control and disrupt everybody else's daily lives. That caused public opinion would turn against the protesters strongly enough that they welcomed the harshness of the eventual police crackdown that reestablished order and normal life. Then, since the protesting students were of draft age and on student deferments, the government simply took their deferments away, drafted them into the Army, and shipped them out. To the public's relief and with their approval.

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