Israel Declares War For The First Time Since 1973.

Not to start an argument, (though there will probably be one ) how does Israel do that? I'm referring to pre-October 7th, and all past times of relative peace in that area, what specific ways does Israel inflict this?I'm not seeing references to this on the news, including the mainstream news. It seems like aoc and her allies, (who are darlings of the mainstream media) would lay out the details of this, and the news would clearly describe it. I'm not seeing it.

Thank you for your gracious welcome back. WHAT CLAIM WAS THAT? I never made a claim, I asked a question! I realize there are far-left websites that are anti-Israel, but if those things are true, why aren't they all over the mainstream news? I seldom miss ABC World News Tonight, the "MOST WATCHED PROGRAM IN ALL OF TELEVISION", news or otherwise. I also know that NBC, CBS, CNN, PBS, all report news with a similar liberal bias as ABC. If I'm ignorant of something they're all not reporting on, or barely reporting on, then the vast majority of U.S. population is ignorant of it as well. AOC and one or two others (Omar, Tlaib?) have recently made put-down statements about Israel that are more mild than what Percy said, and they've been roundly criticized for it. Biden is falling all over himself in his support for Israel. Your link referenced that, but didn't seriously criticize him for it.The political left in this country has a disdain for Israel, largely because of the Judeo-Christian morality Israel has traditionally represented, and because of Israel's free markets. Why is it so politically incorrect for them to shout it from the rooftops, similar to the way they do for their constant Trump hate?

Yes. Yes, the same thing just about any Republican would have done Including Trump. The big difference is that the arab world would have taken a Republican seriously, instead of laughing at Biden. Because of what Percy said about Israel being a terrible country? Because of Theodoric's link calling Israel a terrible country? Because of current protests at some college campuses in the U.S that support Hamas? Because of what YOU said about Judeo Christian morality being evil? Is the blind loyalty to Biden far worse than the mainstream media claims about the "cult" of blind loyalty to Trump? Yet if Biden expresses support for Israel, you're fine with that? More than securing the southern border? Hamas is probably already here in large numbers.But you should really try to learn what words actually mean.

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Ronald Reagan: Always has been. How do we call a liberal? You know someone very profoundly once said many years ago, that if fascism ever comes to America it will come in name of liberalism. And what is fascism? Fascism is private ownership, private enterprise, but total government control and regulation. Well, isn’t this the liberal philosophy. The conservative so-called, is the one that says less government, get off my back, get out of my pocket, and let me have more control of my own destiny.

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(bolded mine)Ronald Reagan statement on Liberalism during 1975 interview by Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes - The Thinking ConservativeFree markets, but with more and more gun control, more and more climate regulation, more and more 'license, regulate, restrict, prohibit', in more and more ways. Today's Democrats. Republicans / conservatives are not the fascists.

Why do you have nothing to say about Biden's support of Israel? Another reason they're pissed is because no other Arab countries want them! They're not productive. They don't have a Judeo Christian work ethic.

Would you say that the 1945 U.S. bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes?

Even the U.S. mainstream media admits that it's a fact that Hamas has tunnels and arms under hospitals. Isn't it safe to say that if Israel vaporizes those hospitals and all of Hamas under them, that it would save many more lives in the long run? Before a half dozen others pour in here and call me a bunch of names, that's not what I'm advocating, and it's not what Israel is doing. Israel is being more tactical, more surgical in their military operations than Truman was with the 1945 bombings. Of course it's true that Truman, as well as most of the U.S. was really tired of the war and the Japanese. Isn't it safe to say that Israel is equally tired of the brazen, open calls for their complete extermination by much of the Arab world, while a good portion of the rest of the world shrugs it off?Percy said this earlier; Truman didn't do anything like that for Japan, did he? I'm just glad Truman wasn't a Republican, today's Democrat party would be up in arms; "REPARATIONS FOR JAPAN!! ADD 5 TRILLION MORE TO THE DEBT! GET TRUMP OFF THE BALLOTT - THAT IS DEMOCRACY!!There are different extremes of war crimes. Israel is often the victim of the most brutal kind. (October 7th) Or the possibility of chemical / biological weapons, also war crimes. If Israel doesn't KILL the enemy in the most efficient ways, if it perfectly polices itself for the most liberal definition of "war crimes", it will not survive.

As the Bible says, there will always be wars and rumors of wars. Because of the "increase of wickedness". We see it more and more from enemies of the U.S., both within and without. The Hamas and Hezbollah war machines are also prepared to fight to the point of destruction of Palestine. No difference yet. Hamas and Hezbollah are on the way to doing the same thing, that's why Israel is working on overrunning it. Hamas has already very intentionally involved civilians. Israel can't force Hamas and Hezbollah to surrender, they're not countries, they're just rag-tag terrorists, funded largely, if not completely by Iran. They have to be KILLED. Killing them, even at the expense of hundreds of the Palestinians Hamas hides behind, will cost far fewer civilian lives than the Jewish civilian lives that will be lost to countless new terrorist attacks in Israel. Differences between what Truman did and what Israel is now doing just aren't there. Yes, these are Hamas talking points. Links? Japan and Germany equally had their own talking points to justify their aggression towards the U.S. and the other allies. The four squad members of congress parrot them as well. Why doesn't Biden parrot them? Why doesn't ABC World News Tonight repeat them? There are protests in college campuses all over much of the U.S. that repeats them, but why don't any other Democrat congressmen, other than the four I mentioned above, have much if anything to say about them?ABC World News Tonight reports NOTHING on the college campus riots that are in support of Hamas. On October 18th, there was an insurrection at the Capitol, inspired by Rashida Tlaib, who was actually there, unlike Trump who was NOT present during the January 6th riot. 300 people who breached the capitol were arrested. No windows were broken, no black policemen shot anybody, Tlaib continued to lie about the hospital bombing of a few weeks ago, accusing Israel, when intelligence reports confirmed that it was an errant terrorist rocket that caused it. Tlaib has since been censured by congress.https://www.thejc.com/...g-us-capitol-79D1RGYS8nhOu0LkEzMtxwNO Reports on any of this on World News Tonight.Only two days ago, there was a violent protest at the DNC headquarters near the capitol, resulting in injuries to six police officers. Democrat congressmen had to be evacuated, similar to January 6th.Top House Democrats evacuated from DNC headquarters as police clash with protesters calling for Gaza ceasefire | CNN PoliticsNO REPORTS ON ABC World News Tonight. So if only Israel would cave in to Palestinian demands for free stuff or whatever it is they want, then all calls by all terrorist organizations for the complete destruction of Israel would immediately stop? Just another of the one or two things you and I will have to agree to disagree on.

Secular people have the same type of lens. They worship the earth, the government, have fears of weather, etc. The relationships between the Axis countries and Allied countries were strained decades before WW2. WW2 was largely a continuation of the unfinished WW1 from decades earlier. You think there's no similarity between that conflict and the Israel / Hamas conflict, and i think there is. So there we are. I'll be told I'm wrong, I won't respond. Not when civilians are killed, no. But when terrorist leaders are killed it does. Osama Bin Laden hasn't killed a single person in the last 12 years. The 10,000 deaths were mostly all shields that the chicken Hamas leaders hide behind. A few of the terrorist leaders have been killed. Can't argue with that, I guess I have something in common with Harry Truman, he seemed to value American lives more than Japanese lives. Let's see, as you said above, the West Bank (Palestinians) elect terrorists to lead them. Israel has always been a staunch ally of the U.S. Israeli soldiers target other soldiers, they don't burn babies alive and rape and kill women like Palestinian terrorists do. Your statement about what I value more is correct. I was only thinking of forum rule #5. Biden's support of Israel seems to show no knowledge of them, neither do ABC World News Tonight reports. Surely there would be other readers here besides just myself who could be enlightened by links, maybe the sources of those links. Much of the terrorist activities against Israel are also economic. Terrorists hate free markets, a large part of the reason they attacked the World TRADE Center on 9/11. That there will be peace if there is a cease-fire. There WAS peace, It ended on October 7th. Israel didn't take the initiative to end it. It is interesting, in that it doesn't flip flop according to which party the insurrectionists belong to. It is true that the accusation by Democrats that those at the Capitol on January 6th were "trying to overturn the election", was repeated over and over and over and over again by the mainstream media, but if they would just come down from their emotional frenzy for 30 seconds they'd realize that a riot by a few hundred people doesn't come within light-years of being able to overturn a U.S. presidential election. And there was very little, if any, evening network news reports on this.White House rebukes pro-Palestinian protesters for red paint left on gate, not tearing Israeli hostage postersVandalism at the White House gates also is not permitted. Very little, if any, evening network news reports. Should the mainstream media be held accountable for covering up important news? It's the biggest problem this country has, the last election was determined by the Biden family Ukraine cover up. The millions of people who get home from work, or school, and get their news from the networks after their local news and weather didn't know a thing about it. And they voted - voted in ways they regretted later. Now they're paying for it with a wide open southern border, runaway inflation, runaway interest rates, runaway energy prices.There is some hope though - you remember the unusual cold spell that lasted for close to a week, a month or so ago, in the midwest and northern parts of the U.S.? The jet stream does that sometimes, it has since meteorologists have been studying it. Then it settled back to normal as it always does, and it warmed back to average temperatures in a couple of days. David Muir of ABC World News Tonight called the warmup "WEATHER WHIPLASH!!!!". Some of the general public who is largely uninterested in politics might not clearly notice the way Muir subliminally pushes the climate change narrative as hard as he can with clever references to the Democrat talking points about it, but there had to be some of those viewers who had to wheel around and look at their television in disbelief, at stupidity like that. Maybe a few more, of the 40% or so of those who still think these evening news reports are anything more than liberal entertainment, got a wake up call. History shows that no matter how much Israel caves, the terrorist attacks against them won't stop.
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I don't think it's clear. Their existence is threatened right now. If Iran sucker punches them with a nuke that destroys a significant percentage of their country, they would never be able to recover from it, financially or otherwise.Israel's very existence is far more threatened now than the U.S. existence was in August of 1945, the U.S. had recently defeated Germany, and is geographically isolated in a way that Israel is not. Israel is far more justified in wasting some civilian life to defeat their enemy, far more than Truman / Democrats were in wasting somewhere between 129,000 and 226,000 Japanese civilians in 1945.Unlike Hamas and other terrorists, Israel never openly celebrates their enemy's dead civilians. Same as the U.S. in 1945. I believe they'll do the right thing.

I think he has a better understanding of the word conflict than you do. Most definitions of that word include the term "two", as in TWO opposing forces. When you show opposition to one, you show favor to the other, however slight. It's difficult to have a debate with someone who takes a neutral, lofty middle ground with no defining characteristics. If you constantly harp on how terrible Israel treats Palestinians, or how terrible Israel's current war crimes are, repeating talking points of Hamas, then you ARE suggesting letting Hamas have their way. Unless you can come up with a different suggestion for Israel, that would as effectively, or more effectively, defeat Hamas. But you never seem to do that. Do you have a position on that, a position that Hamas wouldn't celebrate?

You've only been clear on what you want Israel to NOT do, you haven't been clear on what Israel could do to lessen the chances that they won't be terrorized again.

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Atrocity, atrocious; extremely or shockingly wicked, cruel, or brutal:
an atrocious crime.

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shockingly bad or tasteless; dreadful; abominable:
an atrocious painting; atrocious manners.

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ATROCIOUS Definition & Usage Examples | Dictionary.comDifferent people would have different definitions of just what atrocities, or war crimes are, depending on what the perpetrator is initiating, or responding to. If Harry Truman for example, would have bombed a country, killing 200,000 people because of a simple economic dispute, it would have been much more of a war crime than what his reason for bombing Japan actually was, to end a brutal 2 1/2 year war, initiated by Japan with Pearl Harbor. It worked.What Hamas did on October 7th, was a war crime, an atrocity. A Harry Truman style response is the only thing that works. No one including you thinks that Israel suddenly making nice with Hamas is going to lessen the chances of another atrocity against them by Hamas. Using force, killing leaders, is the only thing that has ever historically worked to end wars. Israel will also create successive generations of terrorists if it lets current ones terrorize it. Palestine and other Arab countries have made a sport of hating Israel for thousands of years. Israel suddenly making nice for weeks or months isn't going to stop the hate against them. Showing current terrorists that it's easy to terrorize won't be as detrimental as showing future terrorists that becoming a terrorist isn't a good career move, if all their predecessors become dead. Most terrorists don't want to become dead, a few suicide ones do, but they want their demise to be on their own terms.Hitler became dead, Mussolini became dead, Yamamoto (architect of Pearl Harbor) became dead. No one seemed eager to step up and replace them. So Israel is 100% at fault for October 7th? Israel should just be nice then? That will cause the whole Muslim world to stop chanting "from the river to the sea"? It will increase terrorism against them.

Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them? It is true that the other half of Democrats, largely college students, continue to march and protest anything Israel does at places like Harvard, and many other universities. It's interesting that these students are brainwashed by college professors, most of whon aren't Muslims, but are atheists. There seems to be an increasing camaraderie and unification of Muslims and atheists. It's the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" pharse. They're unified in their hatred of Judeo-Christianity.

Because you put it in a purely American context with the following, from Message 222Your five words that I bolded show how YOU put it in a purely American context. Actually, I watched Fox News during lunch today, as they showed video footage of the protests, complete with college students saying anti-sematic things into microphones. And amazingly, ABC World News Tonight actually showed police in New York in riot gear, to protect against Israel hating disruptions during the upcoming Christmas tree lighting, disruptions that happened during the Thanksgiving day parade. They spent about two quick minutes on that, before moving on to GEORGE SANTOS!!!!!! STORMY WEATHER IN LATE NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!

Yes, I do know that. Too bad my question did not have a thing in this world to do with popularity.