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marc9000 Member Posts: 1530 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Percy writes: Phat writes:
That fact might eventually happen in the court of public opinion. Israel lost years ago in the court of public opinion. All they're doing now is confirming people's judgments. Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them? It is true that the other half of Democrats, largely college students, continue to march and protest anything Israel does at places like Harvard, and many other universities. It's interesting that these students are brainwashed by college professors, most of whon aren't Muslims, but are atheists. There seems to be an increasing camaraderie and unification of Muslims and atheists. It's the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" pharse. They're unified in their hatred of Judeo-Christianity.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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You should find someone who actually made the arguments you're responding to.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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marc9000 in Message 226 writes: Percy writes: Phat writes:
That fact might eventually happen in the court of public opinion. Israel lost years ago in the court of public opinion. All they're doing now is confirming people's judgments. Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them? How is this question a reasonable follow-up to what I just said, or even make sense? Why are you putting this in a purely American context?
It is true that the other half of Democrats, largely college students, continue to march and protest anything Israel does at places like Harvard, and many other universities. It's interesting that these students are brainwashed by college professors, most of whom aren't Muslims, but are atheists. There seems to be an increasing camaraderie and unification of Muslims and atheists. It's the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" pharse. They're unified in their hatred of Judeo-Christianity. You've been watching too many YouTube videos again. --Percy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them? There are more important considerations than a public opinion popularity contest. And you know this. You're just trying to throw more bombs. Powder puffs. Duds.
It's interesting that these students are brainwashed by college professors, most of who aren't Muslims, but are atheists. It is interesting that those taught to think freely, unencumbered by religious demagoguery, chose against your violent religious preference. Fancy that.
They're unified in their hatred of Judeo-Christianity. If there is hatred toward some specific religious nation, you might want to consider what, of their actions over the last 70 years, has so offended the world society.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1530 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
marc9000 writes:
Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them? How is this question a reasonable follow-up to what I just said, or even make sense? Why are you putting this in a purely American context? Because you put it in a purely American context with the following, from Message 222 I have no answers for the conundrum in which Israel has placed itself, and us, too, through our support and close political affiliation with them. We have tolerated unacceptable Israeli policies against the Palestinians for literally generations when we should have been making clear to Israel that they must stop if they want our continued support. Your five words that I bolded show how YOU put it in a purely American context.
You've been watching too many YouTube videos again. Actually, I watched Fox News during lunch today, as they showed video footage of the protests, complete with college students saying anti-sematic things into microphones. And amazingly, ABC World News Tonight actually showed police in New York in riot gear, to protect against Israel hating disruptions during the upcoming Christmas tree lighting, disruptions that happened during the Thanksgiving day parade. They spent about two quick minutes on that, before moving on to GEORGE SANTOS!!!!!! STORMY WEATHER IN LATE NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1530 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
marc9000 writes:
Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them? There are more important considerations than a public opinion popularity contest. And you know this. You're just trying to throw more bombs. Powder puffs. Duds. Yes, I do know that. Too bad my question did not have a thing in this world to do with popularity.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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Too bad my question did not have a thing in this world to do with popularity. Message 226 Again, you are a disingenuous ass. What do you think the "court of public opinion" is? Just a plaything for your fantasies? It's a popularity contest and your side is sucking hind tit. That means it ain't doing so good in the "we believe/support you" categories. Edited by AZPaul3, . Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
BBC: Lets hope the truce continues until all hostages are released.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
You combined two different conversations, one with Phat, one with you. They have two different contexts. Phat was talking of world opinion, or so it seemed, so I replied in that context, and then you replied to that as if it were a purely American context, not to mention assigning me leanings and views I do not hold.
About your issues with WNT, that's a continuing theme for you. Maybe you should open a thread about it where it would be on-topic. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
The truce has not been extended.
Differing reports come in about which side broke the truce, but in any war there will always be two sides. The side that Israel is on includes the United States and as a result, brands us differently than the role we played (and still play) in the War in Ukraine. We in the West are not fulfilling our duty to secure human rights in this war, and it has caused us to lose all sorts of credibility globally.
Israel has lost the war of public opinion Al Jazeera Opinion: I am not there, either as a journalist or a soldier. I am only one of many globally who form an opinion based on what the media tells us is happening. This media includes social media and footage from peoples smart phones. If there ever is a World War III, I do not want to represent the wrong side of History.
Al Jazeera: Since the United States is basically the only global power whom Israel listens to, it is our responsibility to stop the killing. Critics will say that Israel is resolved to eliminate Hamas, but it appears that this is impossible. As a matter of fact, the next generation of Hamas recruits are being birthed out of this violent conflict as we speak. The unity party needs to kick the far right out of their government. The Israeli people will only do that once they suffer "too many deaths" as Palestine now has. War is Hell. I hate this war. We all need to write our congressmen.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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I somehow missed this and it deserves an answer:
AZPaul3 in Message 182 writes: So in this case we should do or not do what? What actions should we take to avoid playing any role, directly or indirectly, in crimes against humanity that may be taking place in both Israel and Gaza today? I believe we should cease all military and diplomatic support for Israel while they are committing war crimes. We should recall our ambassador. We should introduce a declaration of condemnation in the UN Security Council. We should also provide humanitarian support for the Palestinians. If there's a practical way to defend them militarily then we should do that, too. --Percy
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Change subtitle Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature) "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984) "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I think we should stay out of it. We should neither support nor defend either party.
Of course in today's world that is impossible. And if we backed out, Russia or Iran would quickly fill the void. As a believer in a higher power, (higher than humanity or the UN)I realize that many "believers" support Israel and many humanists support Palestine (though not Hamas). I also realize that you are a believer though not conservative nor fantasy-based. We would never go against Israel in support of Palestine. That's all I know.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I think we as a nation should support life, peace, liberty, freedom and prosperity throughout the world. Those are impossible ideals, of course, but would probably serve very well for guiding policy decisions.
--Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I agree with your statement. The world demands that we pick a side. Why are there two sides in today's world?
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