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DrJones*
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Message 406 of 501 (919771)
07-30-2024 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by Phat
07-30-2024 12:15 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
Ukraine is no more our business
it's the business of any country that claims to stand for liberty freedom and justice. But you just want to roll over and spread your ass for Putin.
Putin is no more interested in Europe
Ukraine is Europe you sister-fucking-hillbilly.
"oh hitler needs a little bit of Lebensraum, i'm sure he'll stop at the Sudetenland. Not to worry we'll have peace in our time"

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Theodoric
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Message 407 of 501 (919772)
07-31-2024 1:21 AM
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07-30-2024 12:15 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
What a maroon
A real embezzle.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 408 of 501 (919779)
07-31-2024 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by DrJones*
07-30-2024 8:22 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
Dr.Jones writes:
Ukraine is Europe...
Was Ukraine part of Russia before 1917? If so, quit trying to be authoritarians redrawing maps to give every little people group their own spot at the expense of America. We cannot nor should not tell the world who has a right to their own country at the expense of the host they were carved out of. That is local business not global business.
We will end up getting stuck with the bill to pay for all of this. Watch your savings get reset and your investments revalued. There is a cost to playing a global cop.
How would you like the UN to help the South secede from the US?

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Theodoric
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Message 409 of 501 (919781)
07-31-2024 3:58 PM
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07-31-2024 1:17 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
Was Russia part of Ukraine prior to 1240? If so, quit trying to be authoritarians redrawing maps.
See what I did.
You are an idiot. Using your reasoning the USA should not exist, Mexico should have the SW and all ex-colonies should stay colonies.
How would you like the UN to help the South secede from the US?
Please explain how this is analogous.
This should be fun.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 410 of 501 (919782)
07-31-2024 4:15 PM
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07-31-2024 1:17 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
Phat writes in Message 408:
Dr.Jones writes:
Ukraine is Europe...
Was Ukraine part of Russia before 1917?
This makes no sense as a response, but since you raise the point...
The Arapahos just called. They want the land your condo is on back.
--Percy

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Message 411 of 501 (919783)
07-31-2024 5:21 PM
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07-31-2024 1:17 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
Phat writes:
Was Ukraine part of Russia before 1917?
Was the US part of the UK before 1776?
Was Arizona part of Mexico before 1848? Would Mexico be within their rights to invade Arizona and make it part of Mexico?
We cannot nor should not tell the world who has a right to their own country at the expense of the host they were carved out of.
Why shouldn't we? Why shouldn't we stand by a fellow democracy and help them defend their sovereignty.
We will end up getting stuck with the bill to pay for all of this. Watch your savings get reset and your investments revalued. There is a cost to playing a global cop.
Don't forget about the sky falling.
How long do we have to wait before you admit you were wrong?
How would you like the UN to help the South secede from the US?
We liked it when the French helped us break away from the UK.

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DrJones*
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Message 412 of 501 (919784)
07-31-2024 8:01 PM
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07-31-2024 1:17 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
Was Ukraine part of Russia before 1917?
who gives a fuck? Ukraine has been a sovereign nation since the fall of the USSR. Kyiv is older than Moscow.
If so, quit trying to be authoritarians
the irony/stupidity burns. I'm surprised you can accuse me of being an authoritarian when you're on your knees with putin's cock in your mouth.
We cannot nor should not tell the world who has a right to their own country
so as usual your response to the suffering of other people is "fuck you I got mine" how very christian of you.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Percy
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Message 413 of 501 (919785)
08-01-2024 7:32 AM
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07-31-2024 1:17 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
John Nash, Nobel Prize winner and subject of the book and movie A Beautiful Mind, was once asked why he accepted his delusions as real, and he replied that he believed them real because they came to him in same way as his great insights.
Like Nash you are accepting delusions as real. They're harmless delusions, other than that they convince people you're a heartless and obnoxious ghoul. You really should get some help, or perhaps just managing your diabetes properly would be enough, but obviously you need help with that, too. Right now you seem to be in the middle of an irrational manic defensively confrontational paranoid state, as reflected by your constantly calling us out for holding beliefs no one here but you ever mentions. Was your medical procedure diabetes related?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 414 of 501 (919786)
08-01-2024 9:05 AM
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07-31-2024 1:17 PM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
This, by Tom Nichols in The Atlantic, reminded me of you:
Tom Nichols:
In fairness, Vance is hardly the most offensive Republican out there. He is no Louie Gohmert, the Republican congressman from Texas, or Marsha Blackburn, the senior Republican senator from Tennessee, people who create an electrostatic field of stupidity around themselves when they speak.
"Electrostatic field of stupidity." Has a kind of ring to it. I like it.
--Percy

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Message 415 of 501 (919787)
08-01-2024 10:06 AM
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08-01-2024 9:05 AM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions
My new favorite saying.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 416 of 501 (919792)
08-03-2024 12:46 PM
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08-01-2024 7:32 AM


Re: Attempting to Respond To Percys Questions

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Phat
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Message 417 of 501 (920493)
10-12-2024 2:07 PM


Focus On Iran. The sponser of terror
For anyone following the news of the past couple of weeks, Israel is now focusing on Hezbollah and according to the news has largely defanged them (for now.) Its been awhile since I posted the BBC report so I shall do so now.
BBC:
Israel’s ground invasion of Lebanon is about to end its second week, as Israel’s war has already entered its second year. Appeals for a ceasefire have increased following an air strike in Beirut on Thursday night, and the wounding on Friday, for the second day running, of UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon by Israeli military fire.
A new offensive is taking place in Jabalia, in northern Gaza, despite persistent calls for the conflict there to end. Israel’s allies are also urging restraint as the country prepares to retaliate against Iran, following last week’s ballistic missile attack.
However, Israel will continue to pursue its own path, and resist this pressure, because of three factors: 7 October, Benjamin Netanyahu and the United States.

My opinion?
First off, Israel knows (or feels) it needs to take care of its enemies before it is forced by international pressure to restrain itself. The source of the weapons against Israel (from Houtis, Hezbollah, and Hamas) is Iran.
Second, Israel wont tolerate Missile attacks from anyone for very long. War is war. Hezbollah made it their war, not Israel. So did Hamas initially in this latest round.
Third, Israel counts on US support. Without us, they are at the mercy of their enemies. (Not counting God, who likely would prefer no war from anyone.)

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Percy
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Message 418 of 501 (920497)
10-13-2024 8:46 AM
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10-12-2024 2:07 PM


Re: Focus On Iran. The sponser of terror
Fourth, Israel is committing war crimes against civilians using weapons that we've provided them.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 419 of 501 (920498)
10-13-2024 3:23 PM
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10-13-2024 8:46 AM


Re: Focus On Iran. The sponser of terror
Why is the focus on war crimes? Was Hamas initial action a war crime? Was Lebenons Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel not a war crime? Was Iran funding terrorism not a war crime? Were the Houthis not also guilty of acts of war?
When is an act of war a war crime or not? Is hiding a missile in a civilian apartment complex a war crime?
My point: Israel's enemies are at least as guilty of war crimes as Israel. War is like that.

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Percy
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Message 420 of 501 (920499)
10-13-2024 5:17 PM
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10-13-2024 3:23 PM


Re: Focus On Iran. The sponser of terror
We're only financing the war crimes of one country: Israel.
--Percy

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