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Topic: Israel Declares War For The First Time Since 1973.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22955 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 7.1
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Message 466 of 501 (920571)
10-25-2024 2:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 464 by Phat
10-25-2024 11:58 AM
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Re: This Is What A War Crime Looks Like
You're ignoring the topic and responding to side comments. My message's title was "This Is What A War Crime Looks Like." I've been discussing the war crimes being committed by Israel and American complicity in the form of money, materiel and intelligence. Recent replies to you that you've ignored are Message 451, Message 454, Message 455, Message 456, Message 458 and Message 460. Recent messages about war crimes committed by Israel that you've ignored are Message 461 and Message 462. Even though you replied to the last one, you ignored the war crime part, you know, the part about the topic, and instead replied either off-topic or to the side comment. Even though this part is off-topic, I'll respond anyway:
Phat writes in Message 464: Based on your logic, the United States should have been indicted for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Targeting civilians was a war crime at the time of the Second World War. Here's an AI opinion via Google:
Google AI:
Yes, according to international law at the time, deliberately targeting civilians during World War II was considered a war crime, as established by the Hague Conventions, which prohibited attacks on undefended towns and villages and stipulated that civilians should not be the primary target of military operations; however, the practice of large-scale civilian bombing, particularly by the Allies against Germany and Japan, was widespread despite this legal prohibition, leading to significant debate about its legality and morality.
That there's a debate is understandable. Forcing Japan's surrender would have required invasion of the main island, and estimates are that that would have cost far more civilian lives than the atomic bombs. Letting Japan remain diminished but still sovereign was an option most wanted to avoid given their abuse of human rights of conquered peoples throughout their empire.
...if your problem is with God... My only issue with God is the same one I have with Hobbits and Vampires. I think the issue you're thinking of is the one I have with those who commit heinous crimes in God's name. "Hey, it isn't me saying the Palestinians have to go, it's God." Can I presume that Netanyahu believes the Jews are God's chosen people and that the land Israel is "defending" was given them by God? And that this justifies their defense of Israel by any and all means, including genocidal attacks on the Palestinians? Can I imagine that when Netanyahu goes to Temple, his prayer goes something like this: "Thank you, oh YHWH, for bestowing the blessing of success on our recent destruction of Palestinian hospitals and neighborhoods." --Percy
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Phat
Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Message 467 of 501 (920572)
10-25-2024 4:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 466 by Percy
10-25-2024 2:33 PM
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Shooting From The Hip
Fair enough. I will respond to each one, though I'm not sure if my honesty will be clear or whether my "inability to think" will surface.  Right now I have to go to work, so I will edit this post and reply to each one you have listed when I get off.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10304 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 7.3
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Message 468 of 501 (920575)
10-25-2024 6:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 466 by Percy
10-25-2024 2:33 PM
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Re: This Is What A War Crime Looks Like
Percy writes: That there's a debate is understandable. Forcing Japan's surrender would have required invasion of the main island, and estimates are that that would have cost far more civilian lives than the atomic bombs. Letting Japan remain diminished but still sovereign was an option most wanted to avoid given their abuse of human rights of conquered peoples throughout their empire. The rational part of me entirely agrees that we shouldn't be supporting the war crimes that Israel is committing. With that said, these are the thoughts kicking around in the darker corners of my irrational monkey brain. What Israel is doing now is what the US has done for . . . well frankly, our entire history. Our interactions with native populations is a long history of crimes against humanity. In WW II, when we started taking too many casualties from day time precision bombing we switched to indiscriminate night time bombing runs that spared no civilians, and even purposefully fire bombed civilian populations. Vietnam . . . let's leave that one there. Even the more recent War on Terror saw indiscriminate use of force. It just feels hypocritical to clutch at our pearls at what Israel is doing when it is probably pretty close to what the US would do in a similar situation. Is anything I've said moral, rational, logical, or ethical? No, I know it's wrong. However, I suspect the same things are going through the heads of a lot of Americans.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22955 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 7.1
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Message 469 of 501 (920578)
10-26-2024 9:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 468 by Taq
10-25-2024 6:01 PM
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Re: This Is What A War Crime Looks Like
In it's history the U.S. has committed countless crimes against humanity. We should be horrified at all of them. Biden apologized just a day or two ago for yet another one, the Indian schools. --Percy
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Percy
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Message 470 of 501 (920580)
10-26-2024 9:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 467 by Phat
10-25-2024 4:00 PM
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Re: Shooting From The Hip
Phat writes in Message 467: Fair enough. I will respond to each one, though I'm not sure if my honesty will be clear or whether my "inability to think" will surface. Do you really think that's a good idea? You' were defending the commission of war crimes in the name of religion. Going silent on the matter and remaining so, even though attention has been called to it, would reflect pretty good thinking. Changing your mind on the topic would be even better, but if that's not in the cards then, as I said, silence is a pretty good answer. --Percy
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Phat
Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Message 471 of 501 (920582)
10-26-2024 11:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 468 by Taq
10-25-2024 6:01 PM
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Re: This Is What A War Crime Looks Like
What Israel is doing now is what the US has done for . . . well frankly, our entire history. Sadly, this is true. When 9-11 happened we lost 3000 people. Our response cost the world 950,000 casualties directly and millions more indirectly. Israel has a similar pattern in its disproportionate response to the attacks that started this war. I fear that Western Hegemony is nearly over and that we are transitioning into a multi-polar world and are no longer a uni-polar world with US dominance.
Percy writes: You' were defending the commission of war crimes in the name of religion. Going silent on the matter and remaining so, even though attention has been called to it, would reflect pretty good thinking. Changing your mind on the topic would be even better, but if that's not in the cards then, as I said, silence is a pretty good answer. You might have a point. I'll think before I reply IF I reply at all. 
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4069 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 472 of 501 (920586)
10-27-2024 7:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 468 by Taq
10-25-2024 6:01 PM
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Re: This Is What A War Crime Looks Like
Is anything I've said moral, rational, logical, or ethical? No, I know it's wrong. However, I suspect the same things are going through the heads of a lot of Americans.
I doubt most Americans are even considering it. Our media doesnt show us the war crimes consistently. And it's deeply, deeply indoctrinated in Americans that "we are the good guys." It takes a lot of work and looking to understand that we've only ever been the "good guys" by chance. We're a broken clock - right twice a day when the "right thing" just happens to coincide with American "interests." Like Ukraine. It's right and good to provide weapons to help a country defend itself against invasion. But America isn;t doing this because we're the good guys. We're doing it because it's the easiest, cheapest possible way to completely fuck over what was once a major adversary on the global stage - Russia. Russia will take *decades and maybe centuries* to recover from their horrendous blunder in Ukraine, and they've shown that their military is an absolute joke. The Russian army is the second-best army *in Russia* right now. And thats why the US is helping...not because we're doing the right thing. That's not even a real consideration. it just makes it easier to sell to the American people. With Israel...we're just complicit in horrific crimes against humanity. Again. Every time we recognize that we did something wrong, the American people convince ourselves that we're better now, we've learned, we've improved. We *should.* We could. But we don't. The international game of influence is still about furthering "interests," resources, trade deals, proxies, and blocking adversary nations from gaining their own influence or power.
-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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Phat
Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Message 473 of 501 (920610)
10-31-2024 2:50 PM
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Latest From Israel
Noteworthy: How the US election could impact the Middle East BBC:
Around two-thirds of Israelis would prefer to see Trump back in the White House, according to recent surveys. Less than 20% appear to want Kamala Harris to win. According to one poll, that drops to just 1% among Mr Netanyahu’s own supporters.
Im wondering why Kamala is so unpopular over there. I figure that Trump and Netanyahu are birds of a feather, but the fact that so many Israelis support Trump is of concern. Religion feeds Mideast wars. Period. Comments?
Bowen: Iran faces hard choices between risks of escalation or looking weak Human nature also contributes to wars. Who, after all, would want to appear "weak"? Of course, the Bible folk could remind everyone to "turn the other cheek", but this is hardly ever what any one side does. I hope that this war does not escalate.
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Message 474 of 501 (920612)
10-31-2024 3:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 473 by Phat
10-31-2024 2:50 PM
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Re: Latest From Israel
Im wondering why Kamala is so unpopular over there. I figure that Trump and Netanyahu are birds of a feather, but the fact that so many Israelis support Trump is of concern.
Just look back at Trump's time in the White House, and how he treated Israel. Look at trumps recent comments since Oct 7 last year about Israel and Palestinians. It's hard for a lot of people to imagine that the current genocide in Gaza could get *worse* than it already is. It could. The Biden administration has tried (not hard enough, not very successfully) to broker peace. The Biden administration is *somewhat* receptive to public outrage over American support for Israeli atrocities. Biden is also a die-hard Zionist. More so than Harris. Harris is unlikely to fundamentally change American policy toward Israel. There is some hope that she might be a little more assertive than Biden has been. But *Trump?* He won't oppose anything. he won't moderate anything. He'll eagerly push to give even more weapons to Israel. He won't speak about the plight of Palestinians, how they deserve peace. He won't even bother ti distinguish Palestinians from Hamas. He'd go *even farther* to support Israel wiping out all of the Palestinians, not just in Gaza but also the West bank. He approves of and idolizes "strong men," dictators like Putin, Kim, etc. How do you think Trump would treat the Netanyahu government and their "strong" stance against "terrorism?" Trump almost went to war with Iran in his first presidency. He'd help Netanyaho achieve "greater Israel," conquering additional territory just like the "lebensraum" of the Nazis. He wouldn't use diplomacy to try to de-escalate tensions with Iran when israel provokes them - Trump would double down, support Israel being "even tougher," and waltz happily into full scale war. Which is exactly what the Netanyahu government wants. Why *wouldn't* Netanyahu support and prefer Trump? Antisemitism? Netanyahu only cares about that insomuch as he can use it for political power and discredit opponents.
-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Message 475 of 501 (920619)
11-02-2024 2:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 466 by Percy
10-25-2024 2:33 PM
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Re: This Is What A War Crime Looks Like
Percy writes: War crimes, crimes against man and God carried out by supposed men of God and enabled by yet other supposed men of God. What decent person could worship this God who causes men to do such things to one another? It seems to me that you are indicting religious thinking more than you are God. God never "causes" anyone to kill a baby or bomb a village. One would hope that Netanyahu does not evoke such a prayer as you mention. Perhaps he wants peace as much as you or I, but he sees no other way to achieve it for his country. The evidence suggests that the enemy actively prepared to hurt and even destroy Israel. Those bombs and missiles uncovered by the IDF during their forays into Palestine and Lebanon were not staged photo ops. Iran has been implicated as the villain funding these terrorist groups. You have mentioned before that the culprit is/was always Israel herself for not treating the Islamic people fairly. In that light, the demon of war pits the rich against the poor, the privileged against the oppressed, and nation(race) against nation(other race). That is reality. God has nothing to do with it. Jesus prophesied it 2000 years ago according to Matthew. AZAnswers3 advocates the abolishment of religion, but that would never happen.
Percy writes: I think the issue you're thinking of is the one I have with those who commit heinous crimes in God's name. " War is a crime. Must we all become Marxists or Global Socialists hoping for global peace? Does religion need to be thrown away? Can it realistically happen? For you, it is as easy as equating God with Hobbits or Leprechauns. For believers not so easy.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22955 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 7.1
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Message 476 of 501 (920620)
11-03-2024 10:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 475 by Phat
11-02-2024 2:46 PM
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Re: This Is What A War Crime Looks Like
Phat writes in Message 475: Percy writes: War crimes, crimes against man and God carried out by supposed men of God and enabled by yet other supposed men of God. What decent person could worship this God who causes men to do such things to one another? It seems to me that you are indicting religious thinking more than you are God. Do these men not worship the God whose name they invoke to justify their war crimes?
God never "causes" anyone to kill a baby or bomb a village. The nature of religious wars is that unbelief in or disrespect against their God are crimes that must be punished. While there are numerous examples from history, the most infamous recent example might be the radical Muslim campaign against Salmon Rushdie. Another recent infamous example is the murder of 11 people by Muslim extremists at the Charlie Hebdo magazine headquarters. Another recent example is the beheading of Samuel Paty by Muslim extremists for showing cartoons of the Prophet. And of course it isn't just Muslims committing terrorist acts. Consider "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland where Catholics and Protestants carried on a continuous terrorist war of bombings and murders. And then there's the Christians/Muslim genocides in the Balkans. And on and on.
One would hope that Netanyahu does not evoke such a prayer as you mention. Of course one would hope that, but Netanyahu's actions suggest one would hope in vain.
Perhaps he wants peace as much as you or I, but he sees no other way to achieve it for his country. As you've already conceded, he's breeding a new generation of terrorists.
The evidence suggests that the enemy actively prepared to hurt and even destroy Israel. Those bombs and missiles uncovered by the IDF during their forays into Palestine and Lebanon were not staged photo ops. Iran has been implicated as the villain funding these terrorist groups. You have mentioned before that the culprit is/was always Israel herself for not treating the Islamic people fairly. That doesn't capture my thinking at all. I think all groups should be held responsible for their war crimes, but I also think that Israel is its own worst enemy by its treatment of Palestinians in Lebanon, the West Bank and Gaza. If the Palestinians had their own country then Hezbollah, Fatah and Hamas would be branches of the Palestinian armed forces, not terrorist groups. Just because Israel is a country doesn't mean its armed forces aren't behaving just like terrorist groups - very well equipped and trained ones.
In that light, the demon of war pits the rich against the poor, the privileged against the oppressed, and nation(race) against nation(other race). That is reality. God has nothing to do with it. Jesus prophesied it 2000 years ago according to Matthew. God has everything to do with it. Both sides believe all their terrorists acts are justified by their God.
AZAnswers3 advocates the abolishment of religion, but that would never happen.
Percy writes: I think the issue you're thinking of is the one I have with those who commit heinous crimes in God's name. " War is a crime. Must we all become Marxists or Global Socialists hoping for global peace? Does religion need to be thrown away? Can it realistically happen? The only one here who ever mentions Marxists and Global Socialists is you.
For you, it is as easy as equating God with Hobbits or Leprechauns. For believers not so easy. Things that exist leave evidence behind. God has left behind just as much evidence as Hobbits and Leprechauns. --Percy
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Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Message 477 of 501 (920621)
11-03-2024 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 476 by Percy
11-03-2024 10:06 AM
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Is Blackrock Bankrolling The Wars?
Before you scold me for posting this podcast, I will defend it by saying that Colonel MacGregor is well-learned and presents a strong case against war. I will also defend the reason that MacGregors politics resonate with me.
Is Blackrock bankrolling the WAR in Ukraine & Middle East? This argument and presentation is no conspiracy theory. I listened to the full podcast and was impressed with Colonel MacGregors case that the United States became involved in both wars with little debate or discussion. He makes a case that China is a one party fascist state. (Government in league with Chinese Capitalism.) Despite that, China has no interest in aggressively policing the world in the manner that the United States has done for 75 years +. China is positioning itself to become the next global power through a financial reset. The Colonel points out that US Hegemony has broken and will not be fixed anytime soon. He argues the case that the weaponization of the US Dollar was the first domino that caused the world we inherited in 1945 (in ruins) to reassert itself in league with BRICS and that we are positioned in opposition to BRICS through the various treaties and agreements of the past. He argues that the time has come for the US to come home and quit involving itself as a global cop who "meddles" in other peoples affairs. My EvC critics, including you, are going to point out that I seem to be resorting to my YouTube habits and not doing any independent thinking of my own, but I listen to a lot more than simply YouTube. If you don't listen to my source, you have nothing to argue about, but I might point out that MacGregor is not pro Netanyahu nor is he pro-Trump...at least it does not appear to be so. He points out that Israel hijacked the US military and that---without argument---we are positioned to become involved in a wider war much to our eventual pain. In conclusion, I blame the military-industrial complex that benefits from these wars and I believe that we Americans need to examine our conscience and our purpose geopolitically. I agree with you that warcrimes are reprehensible. I also know that I must think for myself and not simply parrot talking points of others, but I strongly suggest that you hear what I hear in order to get an idea of what my teachers teach.
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Message 478 of 501 (920622)
11-03-2024 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 476 by Percy
11-03-2024 10:06 AM
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Hobbits and Leprechauns
I can agree that Hobbits, Leprechauns, and Gods of various varieties do not have voices nor do they read books. (some may argue that they write them) With War in the Middle East looming, I think hearing what the Colonel has to say is worthwhile. I for one am not in favor of it, nor do I think that God and Allah should have any part in my decision-making process regarding morality and ethics. Is there a military industrial complex? Must we go to war to prop up our economy? Whence goeth America?
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Member Posts: 22955 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 7.1
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Message 479 of 501 (920623)
11-03-2024 2:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 478 by Phat
11-03-2024 11:03 AM
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Re: Hobbits and Leprechauns
Please stop getting your talking points from the YouTube videos of self-proclaimed know-it-alls. You offered no evidence for anything you said he said, so no rebuttal is necessary. You're also drifting off-topic. If you want to discuss generally the influence of the military industrial complex on policy, that would be another thread. If you want to discuss something on-topic, like how it's driving Biden administration policy on Israel, then you should say something about it and include evidence for your claims.
I can agree that Hobbits, Leprechauns, and Gods of various varieties do not have voices nor do they read books. (some may argue that they write them) That doesn't really capture what I said. Allow me to rephrase since it apparently wasn't obvious. The quality that Hobbits, Leprechauns and Gods have in common is that they aren't real. They don't exist. You said it isn't easy for believers to equate God with Leprechauns and Hobbits, and that's true. People fervently believe in lots of things that aren't real, not just leprechauns, but aliens, a flat Earth, perpetual motion machines, and on and on. All these things have one thing in common: no evidence. In the same way, there's no evidence of any gods. There's no evidence for any of the many versions of the Christian God, nor of Allah, YHWH, Thor, Zeus, Brahma, Horus, Marduk, or any of the rest. But the existence of God or gods is not the topic of this thread. Originally I just made a side comment about the nature of men who worship a God who approves their commission of war crimes. The issue isn't whether their God actually exists. It's the choice they've made to worship such a God, real or not. --Percy
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Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.3
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Message 480 of 501 (920624)
11-03-2024 5:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 477 by Phat
11-03-2024 10:54 AM
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Re: Is Blackrock Bankrolling The Wars?
MacGregor is a MAGAt. He has extremely regressive and patriarchal views. He is not well respected. His politics resonate with you? No shit. Macgregor opposes diversity or affirmative action programs in the military. He does not like the idea of women in combat. He continuously repeats Russian propaganda and is used for Russian propaganda. How Russia Uses Retired US Colonel’s Ukraine Misinformation for Domestic Propaganda What 'Putin Wing' Ex-Colonel Douglas Macgregor Has Said About Ukraine War - Newsweek He is anti-NATO. He is extremely racist. https://www.cnn.com/...macgregor-west-point-board/index.html So yeah I can see why you like this fountain of hate. Yes it is a conspiracy theory, spouted by a leading fountain of conspiracy theories. oh yeah, you are extremely off topic. More gish gallop I guess.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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