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Theodoric
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Message 61 of 378 (913222)
10-18-2023 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Phat
10-18-2023 9:01 AM


Re: War Update from ABC News
And you ignored AzPaul's post completely. Typical.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 62 of 378 (913223)
10-18-2023 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Theodoric
10-18-2023 9:38 AM


Re: War Update from BBC
I should have clarified. The division in US politics is appalling. You are the people who cheer when Hamas strikes Israel!

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Phat
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Message 63 of 378 (913224)
10-18-2023 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Theodoric
10-18-2023 9:39 AM


Re: War Update from BBC
I am embarrassed by these ideas that suggest that humanism and everyone getting a ribbon are the new status quo. At least Biden has the guts to take a side, but he tries to please everybody. There is no pleasing Hamas. They have indoctrinated a generation of young people.

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Message 64 of 378 (913225)
10-18-2023 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Theodoric
10-18-2023 9:40 AM


Re: War Update from ABC News
TheoTypical writes:
And you ignored AzPaul's post completely. Typical.
You mean his point that Palestine was there before Israel? My History Book shows them both there together. The powers that were booted the Jews out.
As for Trump, I agree that he is not ready to be a president.
The world is changing. We need somebody younger.

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Message 65 of 378 (913227)
10-18-2023 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Phat
10-17-2023 9:42 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
Phat in Message 55 writes:
Israel was there first.
I don't think anyone realizes you're referring to around 3000 years ago.
It was the modern state of Israel that displaced the Palestinian people, who bear some significant responsibility for their plight due to their refusal to negotiate. The formation of a Jewish state was anathema to them. They refused to even consider the possibility and so declined to participate in the process.
Even after Israel became a legal state they had to fight the Palestinians for control of the land. Menachem Begin was head of what was widely considered a Jewish terrorist organization before he became a politician.
--Percy

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Message 66 of 378 (913228)
10-18-2023 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Phat
10-18-2023 10:45 AM


Re: War Update from BBC
Phat writes:
I should have clarified. The division in US politics is appalling. You are the people who cheer when Hamas strikes Israel!
Why do you say crazy things like this?
Both parties bear responsibility for the cycle of violence in the Middle East. Israel has all the political and military power, so Palestinians living under Israeli control are second class citizens. Israel takes their land, destroys their homes, arrests and jails their people. Gaza has been under blockade. The Palestinians fight back in the only way that people without power or hope can.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 67 of 378 (913229)
10-18-2023 11:21 AM
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10-18-2023 10:51 AM


Re: War Update from ABC News
Phat in Message 64 writes:
TheoTypical writes:
And you ignored AzPaul's post completely. Typical.
You mean his point that Palestine was there before Israel? My History Book shows them both there together. The powers that were booted the Jews out.
I can't decipher this. There has never been a recognized state of Palestine. It's a region. The power that did the most to force the Jews into the diaspora was the Roman Empire when they destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD.
--Percy

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Message 68 of 378 (913231)
10-18-2023 12:10 PM
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10-18-2023 10:45 AM


Re: War Update from BBC
Phat in Message 62 writes:
You are the people who cheer when Hamas strikes Israel!
I didn't cheer. Most of the people that I know are liberals who didn't cheer.
You look at the extremes of the left, and mistakenly assume that all leftists agree with them. Why?
I look at the extremes of the right (such as Trump and Jim Jordan), but I recognize that they are not representative off all on the right.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Theodoric
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Message 69 of 378 (913232)
10-18-2023 12:26 PM
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10-18-2023 10:45 AM


Re: War Update from BBC
Fuck you. You are a vile, disgusting person. I have never cheered on terrorism. Criticism of Israel is not cheering for the deaths of Israelis.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 70 of 378 (913233)
10-18-2023 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Phat
10-18-2023 10:48 AM


Re: War Update from BBC
I was referring to your idea that US satellites can pinpoint tunnels. Even if they could it would do nothing to resolve the situation. Seems you just want that pound of flesh.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 71 of 378 (913234)
10-18-2023 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Phat
10-18-2023 10:51 AM


Re: War Update from ABC News
Your bible is not a reference book.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 72 of 378 (913237)
10-18-2023 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Theodoric
10-18-2023 12:29 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
Theo writes:
Seems you just want that pound of flesh.
No. I want Hamas driven out of Palestine. There is no compromise with terrorists.
UPDATES:
BBC:

  • On Tuesday a huge blast ripped through a crowded area at the Al-Ahli al-Arabi hospital, killing many people. Palestinian officials say 471 people were killed in the blast
  • Israel was immediately blamed by Hamas but the Israel Defense Forces said the blast was caused by a misfired Palestinian militant rocket
  • A range of Arab countries joined Hamas in blaming Israel for the explosion, and some Arab leaders canceled meetings with Biden
  • Israel has carried out heavy bombing across Gaza since the Hamas attacks on 7 October; militants have continued to fire rockets targeting Israel
  • I say I want peace but I do not want a compromised world where borders are opened and
    people around the world are allowed to spread out and live in countries with power and wealth.
    Why?
    I fear that there is a global faction that wants to bring America down. I feel that we will be attacked here for the affection that Joe Biden shows towards Israel. There is no easy solution. We are playing favorites and yet terrorists have no place in a civilized society.

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    Tanypteryx
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    Message 73 of 378 (913238)
    10-18-2023 6:20 PM
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    10-18-2023 5:13 PM


    Re: War Update from BBC
    I just watched reports on MSNBC that showed multiple aerial or satellite images of the blast area at the hospital. There is no identifiable crater and minimal damage to the hospital and other surrounding buildings. All the people reported killed by the blast were outside in the parking lot. Israeli explosives would have left a crater and done much more damage to surrounding buildings.
    All the evidence is pointing at a Hamas rocket that went off course.

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    Phat
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    Message 74 of 378 (913239)
    10-18-2023 7:39 PM
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    10-18-2023 6:20 PM


    Re: War Update from BBC
    Tanypteryx writes:
    All the evidence is pointing at a Hamas rocket that went off course.
    Biden said as much publicly. The fact is, at this point, it does not seem to matter.
    This war will have more of an impact globally than Ukraine. To emphasize my point, ask yourself what would have likely already occurred had Ukraine possessed 100+Nukes.

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    Tanypteryx
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    Message 75 of 378 (913240)
    10-18-2023 7:56 PM
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    10-18-2023 7:39 PM


    Re: War Update from BBC
    This war will have more of an impact globally than Ukraine. To emphasize my point, ask yourself what would have likely already occurred had Ukraine possessed 100+Nukes.
    Well, I have no idea how you are tracking "more impact globally." Is that more news, more deaths, more damage, more risk of expanding to global conflict, what? Russia in less than 1.5 years has lost 4 or 5 times more soldiers than the U.S. lost in the whole Vietnam War, so that may have an impact on their global plans for the future.
    Sorry, you will have to "emphasize your point" with your own actual words rather than trying to communicate via telepathy. As always, I question your grasp of reality.

    Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
    What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
    One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
    If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
    The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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